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@anon444877

I'm not a monarchy fan but I do like KM's clothing choices (lowers tone). Agree it's work - is this the level the Indy debate is going to be fought at?

Trade you a royal for a Ferrier!

Agree re: ferrier, even though I'm not particularly a fan of the royals (except Kate's hair...).

Also, Wtaf. Does NS now have to sign off every piece of work-related (and hence exempt from the travel restrictions) travel, to decide if she thinks it can be done from home or not? Cos I'd have thought that work consisting of "travelling to each of the countries of the United Kingdom" pretty much obviously falls into the category of "cannot be done from home". Whether NS thinks it was important or necessary is irrelevant.

Bleargh re: levels. Its all going to be "erring on the side of caution...wider context...christmas festivities"and so on to justify not moving anyone down, and possibly some up, isn't it? Even though numbers are falling, we're going to be stuck in the infinite restriction loop of the summer, when they are too scared to relax restrictions because they think they'll be "blamed" when numbers increase again, which they know will happen over Christmas. So we weren't able to do anything over the summer even though numbers were really low, as they chased after zero covid for a bit before opening things late July. Aaaaaargh!

The bar where we had our first date has also closed!
Oh no! Which one? I used to work in Leith so went to quite a few pubs down that way after work on Friday, when I was young(ish) and child free...

@theotherfossilsister sounds a blissful end to the day. Drink up by 6, mind.
I’m dreading to hear which other bars/restaurants have had to close or will not reopen for 2021. So many family-run places can’t survive this🤦‍♀️

So we weren't able to do anything over the summer even though numbers were really low, as they chased after zero covid for a bit before opening things late July. Aaaaaargh!

Yip they really F*-up over summer. TBH if they hadn't messed up so much people would have had more patience now. Instead people are really fed up, hardly seen family since February and starting to take more risks.

People who GO to work, particularly those who work with the public, seem to be saying if I can see all these people - I'm not, non going to see my.DMum.
And I'm sure theres an element of people who are home working who are loosing confidence at going out and developing a crazy fear.

Eat out to help out was certainly a great idea on both a business economy point and getting people a sense of normality.

@theotherfossilsister I used to live in Leith Walk in the olden days

Me too, just round the corner from Storries, the worst but possibly the cheapest bakery in Edinburgh. It was an interesting neighbourhood...

On the pubs thing - a friend works as sales manager for a brewery, they have been cutting jobs left & right he’s taken a sideways move to keep a job. Industry is decimated.

[and as someone who left Edinburgh before there were trams I hear you on crossing the road!!]

Agree re summer fuck up. Folk needed a break and instead we just got "we need to keeping restricting" which IMO means folk have just run out of willpower and patience

I think the elimination strategy was not only wrong, but arrogant. To me it has only proved how unsustainable independence actually is.

I posted - a lot - on the unsustainability of independence in the run up . But it really wasn't, certainly not with the vision they were promoting.

@Wbeezer I think that was the baker under my flat !

It was down from Dalmeny Street and opposite Balfour Street. I think that was the baker with the 6p rolls??

@titsbumfannythelot 100 % agree, NS was desperate to be Jacinda and like all these pick and mix small country comparisons the SNP love, insufficient understanding of what wouldn't work for Scotland. Stuck to that strategy for far too long.

Boris, for all his incompetent communications has allowed England more freedom during this crisis, for indoor meetings we've had harder restrictions on that than anywhere else.

No one can say why Scotland has had such a continued problem with indoor transmission over and above other places.

They need to publish the statistics, I think that the supermarket and school transmission must account for the majority of it.

@Bikingbear

Until NS came alone I was never that fond of the idea of Monarchy. However NS has pushed me into seeing the Monarch has a role to attempt to prevent one person or party having too much power.

That's a very interesting point.

NS's comment about K and W infuriates me. Whatever you think about them, if they hadn't gone to Scotland on this tour, there would have been plenty of complaints in Scotland.

@titsbumfannythelot

They need to publish the statistics, I think that the supermarket and school transmission must account for the majority of it.

The problem is they don't actually know. I saw a piece of analysis saying supermarkets were the biggest spreader. The basis for this conclusion was that "50%* of people who tested positive had visited a supermarket in the last 10 days"

Hello Mr Correlation, they appear to have confused you with your cousin Mr Causation.

Similar issue with schools. A child who attends a school having covid does not mean they contracted it there. It may mean that. It may also mean they caught it from parents, siblings, grandparents, random at the park...

*can't recall exact percentage but it was around half

There were some studies done early on during peak pandemic that indicated that Supermarket staff didn't make up a higher percentage of cases than any other group given that they at times were the only folk other than healthcare etc actually out working. At that point there were no masks, no gloves, no screens so I'm not convinced.

DH was talking about some stats today looking at Peru v Brazil. Peru had some of the strictest restrictions going, Brazil comparatively light on restrictions, Peru has done worse in terms of deaths etc. Obviously might be other factors at play.

I mean I'm not convinced that supermarkets were or are a problem for transmission.

"50% of people who tested positive had visited a supermarket in the last 10 days"

Precisely. If more than 50% of the population in total had been to a supermarket, it may be that going to the supermarket protects you from getting covid . It's science that, mate.... (see also "85% of 5-17 year olds testing positive with covid had been to school in the previous week"). Such observations are basically pointless in themselves...

95% of those testing positive had worn socks in the previous week...

Actually, sock-wearing is a well known transmission risk. People wearing socks are 67% more likely to mix with other people without having regard for social distancing protocols. And the virus can remain on the fibres on the socks for up to 96 hours.

Fair enough, it just seems to me that there aren't that many options left to catch it. But I bow to the wisdom of this group.

The problem is that most other options aren't allowed. So when little Hamish gets covid and he of course hasn't been anywhere except school* then he must have got it there

• apart from the big family meet up at grannies, and the playdate with his 3 best friends, and that illicit t3 shopping trip. But he's only been to school honestly mrs tracking lady

Sorry @titsbumfannythelot, wasn't trying to say you weren't talking sense, I mean after all this time and tracing etc you'd think we'd have a better handle on where it is spreading?

Just had a lecture from DH about sitting at my desk all day since they now believe that having had covid gives you a greater chance of DVT. We believe we had it in March and DH (fit and healthy) had a DVT a week or so ago.