You'll have had yours tiers....

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Thread 946....

@goodname yes, Brexit has definitely been on my mind!

I’m thinking of a night away somewhere in a hotel over Christmas if possible, just for a change of scene

@JamesMoriarty oh ffs. That sounds like tier 4 stays, doesn’t it?

After the guarantees she made, it's more than her careers worth to keep Tier 4 going .... not to say she won't reinstate it at a later date though

Oh no I hope your not all stuck in tier four for longer. That wouldn’t be fair at all but frankly nothing surprises me anymore.
We’re not allowed to stay in a hotel or holiday outside our area if we are in tier 3 or 4 though are we. That’s the rule that’s annoying me most just now. Why can’t I go and stay in a nice quiet holiday house and go for walks somewhere else instead of mixing with more people inside my own house! Also there are no rules about people from England in areas with more case booking holiday houses anywhere in Scotland so it’s seems doubly unfair 😬

I just don't trust her an inch. It wouldn't surprise me if she tweaks teir 4, calls it something else, but doesn't actually change anything. I'll breathe a sigh of relief after the Tuesday doom cast if it actually goes.

I think she needs to let shops open at least but maybe nothing else. I bet she invents a level 3.5

Thanks I'll look at M and Ds. I won't risk it if indoors but would be nice to go to something. I think there's doorstep santa visits in the central belt too, they might be pricey though.

The accommodation rules over the five day free for all make no sense. You can stay in a self catering but only with someone from the local area. I get they're trying to stop people going for a holiday but the whole point of staying in one would be so we are in a separate place from family / we can meet them outside and not potentially give them covid.

@Outsidemum1a tier 3.5 - that’ll be it

And none of this is really being enforced - I'd say they couldn't tell the difference between self catering to be near family and self catering for a holiday (and anyway, who does a self catering holiday with time spent outside for that period hurt anyway?).

And down the rabbit hole we go.

As for the ports, Felixstowe has been terribly delayed for most of nov so far due to retailers stockpiling for brexit. I do think it's admirable they've pulled the military in to ensure the vaccine gets where it needs to go. Yes I'd rather it wasn't needed but the vaccine effort isn't a normal logistically challenge even absent any of the 2020 constraints.

That’s another lovely hotel I know shut for the foreseeable; not even in the filthy central belt but not allowed guests from there or England. So sad.

It won’t just be 3.5, it’ll be 3.5a or something that tweaks according to who still needs to be telt.

I’ve booked some T3 EdinB Christmas events where I didn’t have to declare my manky T4 address. Fingers crossed they will go ahead and if we are not moved to T3 or less by then, I’ll be going anyway with my T4 gameface on for anyone who wants to try turning us away...

Strangely you can stay in a hotel or b n b during the free for all ( w/o having a local stay too). It's not clear what happens from the 27th if you've not mixed with others in a 'bubble- can we still not stay in self catering just ourselves? Must stay in our council ? Who knows.

And Brexit's just something that may make me leave in the future.. I saw the government 's info on the expected price increases post no deal. We already have had the worst recession in the G7 and as much as I'm trying to stay optimistic that next year will be better, I think Brexit will make life harder for a lot of people who are already struggling.

@Outsidemum1 I'm sure she has already said you're only allowed to stay in residential addresses, not holiday cottages or hotels.

It literally makes no sense. We're visiting family in England and staying in a nearby Premier Inn. If the numbers get worse it means we could see them outside if need be. At the very least it reduces a lot of mixing and sharing of towels and household space. I haven't particularly booked it because of coronavirus- more to actually have a stay in a hotel . It would have been a good opportunity for hard hit hoteliers and rental owners to make a bit over the Christmas period, but I guess SG are worried about people doing more traveling for a holiday rather than visiting relatives.

So, I’ll go to filthy England 😃

@Outsidemum1

Thanks I'll look at M and Ds. I won't risk it if indoors but would be nice to go to something. I think there's doorstep santa visits in the central belt too, they might be pricey though.

The accommodation rules over the five day free for all make no sense. You can stay in a self catering but only with someone from the local area. I get they're trying to stop people going for a holiday but the whole point of staying in one would be so we are in a separate place from family / we can meet them outside and not potentially give them covid.

Oh yes, you're right about the accommodation. They have totally reversed their policy on that without telling anyone, I see! Last week single households (T3 or 4) weren't allowed to travel outside their council area to stay in tourist accommodation, even over the 23rd to 27th. And bubbles weren't allowed in any form of tourist accomm. , even self catering. Someone must have pointed out that not everyone lives in a house big enough for 3 families, so it would be safer if everyone could have their own bedroom etc in a cottage, or families could stay somewhere close to the rest of their bubble, but not in the same house. But they don't want to admit they boobed in the first place by poorly thought through guidance. What a surprise. Do they really expect people to constantly check their web page to see if the guidance has changed this week, and whether plans need to be changed as a result?!

My money is on a "level 3a" too! Shops open, but no hospitality and no gyms etc. Until 23rd. For all central belt in T3 and 4 at the moment. No justification by numbers of course... just a hunch.

we've got a tier 1 with no indoor household mixing so what's to stop a tier 3 with some tier 4 type restrictions? I doubt they'll even give it a .5!

They have confused so many people with the rules. I've heard of a businesswoman who was in Scotland for a meeting. She'd booked a hotel who cancelled on her as she wasn't allowed to travel from England. Except she'd already travelled and was effectively left stranded in Glasgow. She managed to get another hotel but her other option was to drive back to Carlisle and stay the night there.

with my T4 gameface on for anyone who wants to try turning us away...

Yep. The irony of telling us filthy t4s off for not behaving ourselves and then expecting us all to obediently adhere to increasing levels of bizarre ill conceived layer upon layer of discriminatory junk social engineering.

Anyone else noticed that due to Faslane Glasgow now has lower cases per 100k than Argyll and Bute? Just shows the disproportionate impact of localised clusters. A&B have been unlucky to get one in the only densely populated location. Glasgow has multiple sources for one of these week in and week out.

Next weekend we're due to meet up with relatives currently in tier 2 for lunch and gift exchanging at a local to us tier 1,5 hotel. If she changes them to tier 3, we will have the nonsense of having to cancel it - all because our hotel is less than a mile over the border.

Do they just risk it or will some local busybody report them as somebody is bound to see us this is the kind of place that if you fart the whole town knows

J Freeman on twitter "clarrifying" her earlier interview. All 11 areas will come out of t4. She just won't be drawn on how they will be managed after that. (t101 or Heinz57 equally plausible)?

I predict there will be quite a lot of relaxation if only to prevent further pressure and scrutiny on the logistics and management of the vaccination programme. Cases in all t4 areas were falling before it was introduced and have continued to do so steadily. The pace of decrease has not been impacted either way by the increased restrictions.

What do folk think of Jeane Freeman saying that some areas could remain in tier 4?

Do they just risk it or will some local busybody report them as somebody is bound to see us

We don't suffer from these where I am. Had pretty much stopped venturing beyond my filthy environs before t4 was introduced because the curtain twitching in surrounding areas is extremely oppressive. I am usually on my own outside walking so no idea why this raises eyebrows but it does.

Just seen her Tweet. That's not what she said this morning! Will be interesting to see what happens on Tuesday.

Dinnafashyersel you put it perfectly ‘discriminatory junk social engineering’
Ideal would be that the most extreme tiering instructions/behaviours are applied only (on a micro level) where there is a significant community breakout. So for example, you could instruct a full building closure for deep clean with a small firebreak of 7 days, if a significant number of cases occurred within that community. The tier flexing should be based on any local hospital admissions, not positive tests, as the majority of folk would and could manage the illness at home.

This blanket tier behaviour approach with the arbitrary council boundaries supposedly penning everyone safely in, just isn’t workable any longer, especially for people under 60 (?) and local businesses.

If there isn’t a significant change to the current tiers announced on Tuesday, I predict a riot (©️ Kaiser Chiefs)