Hogmanae

[rookiemere]

This is an ongoing thread for Scottish mumsnetters - or indeed non Scottish mumsnetters such as myself, to comment on ongoing covid matters pertinent to ourselves, in a hopefully not too partisan and friendly fashion.

Cos once again it's rule by the lowest common denominator. Some people have an issue with alcohol so therefore no one in the country is allowed to continue their own healthy relationship with alcohol.

Hammer to crack a nut.

See, I’m quite pleased as I can seem selfless by not seeing my dad, though I’d prefer it if was officially actually banned.

But I do feel for those who like their families

I almost wish they wouldn't have bothered with Christmas as it's just dragging out the uncertainty and I hate all the negotiations of who will visit who.

If it was banned to visit we could stay at home and I could actually plan a nice, calm family Christmas. Now I might or I might not have to pack everything including a primary child and a toddler into a car. Then spend 2 days on the road for a 3 day visit. The drive will be mayhem. Packing on the day school finishes will be mayhem. The toddler doesn't really sleep so hey ho more fun and games and screaming children in the car.

@Callisto1

I almost wish they wouldn't have bothered with Christmas as it's just dragging out the uncertainty and I hate all the negotiations of who will visit who.

If it was banned to visit we could stay at home and I could actually plan a nice, calm family Christmas. Now I might or I might not have to pack everything including a primary child and a toddler into a car. Then spend 2 days on the road for a 3 day visit. The drive will be mayhem. Packing on the day school finishes will be mayhem. The toddler doesn't really sleep so hey ho more fun and games and screaming children in the car.

Such a shame that toddler interacted with someone who tested positive and you've all to self isolate... :o

@WouldBeGood

I wouldn’t be gagging to go on a night out with her

me neither!

@TooExtraImmatureCheddar

You get another 2 households on top of MIL, statisticallychallenged. Existing bubbles count as one household.

Students also count as part of their parents’ household once they get there.

Thanks - that was my assumption

time to wind up FIL....

In reality 3 households is just going to be messy for so many families (joking apart). We're unusual, as I have nothing to do with my own family so it means we only have to consider DH. He has MIL, and one sibling who isn't local. No brainer for us to go "extended household" with MIL as DH sees her 3-4 times a week. FIL and SMIL are obviously another household. But in theory that could be our 3 and DH would get his whole immediate family, as would BIL, MIL and FIL (not in one room simultaniously - messy divorce!). SMIL however is unlikely to permit this as she will want to see friends instead and does her best to drive a wedge between FIL and his kids.

But for most families it will be messier than that. You could see both sets of parents/grandparents, but only if both sides are only children. A couple with two grown up kids (maybe with grandchildren) could have their whole family, but only if their partners don't see their own parents.

Actually - can someone please get mumsnet to create a "Christmas Bubbles" board, as AIBU will be very busy soon!

In theory

I am from a big family. One of 6 kids and we all have kids

So we will do our own thing

We love Christmas.

DH and I don't have any parents. We both have a few siblings but those have their own DC and in some cases grandchildren or their partners have parents, so we all do our own thing. It's always just ourselves for Christmas which is why we now treasure our walk to the pub. It's not really about the drink, it's about having a tradition, a reason to get dressed, seeing other humans/dogs in the pub.

At least we should be able to be together and have DS2s girlfriend over. We won't need a 3rd household in our part of any bubble.

Losing the plot indeed wax. Ivor does have an agenda to seek out the extremists, but sometimes watching the constant nudge nudge towards it on the BBC I can see why.

Fascinating disconnect with where people really are. (as I understand it the vaccine has not been tested in children and won't be licensed for them)

DH is one of 5-7 depending how many half sibling he counts. Tells you all you need to know about how useful Christmas baubles are to us.

I think history might show us whether ivor etc are extremists or not tbh. But we are where we are and it's good to see challenge to the status quo. Challenge always gives better results imo. Otherwise we truly end up in an emperor's new clothes situation.

On a lighter note. Per Euan Mccolm: i hear nicola sturgeon commend ian blackford for his “grace and dignity”, then i recall her saying she didn’t know a man “who is less sexist” than alex salmond and i think hmmm.

Yes weird wording to use for the xenophobic jumped up gobshite. She would have been better keeping her mouth shut.

Wax didn't mean to imply Ivor is an extremist. Just that he highlights the worst extremists at the other end of the debate to amplify the reasons for his scepticism. My problem is that I started off not far away from where he is (virus is gonna virus and public health interventions are not always helpful). Trying to counter my confirmation bias.

I heard that re Blackford. Grace and dignity indeed

Word on the street is it may have been tongue firmly in cheek but who knows ... there's a reason she's a very effective politician ...

He’s in the other faction, isn’t he?

There is actually a growing movement of lots of clever people who aren't invested in/paid by governments that are standing up but I fear that the brainwashing has been so good. The whitty one where they chose to use old data to show a far worse model than the up to date data (which they had) was showing, to just spread more fear and get more compliance was one of the more disgusting things I've seen.

@WouldBeGood

He’s in the other faction, isn’t he?

Which faction?

The Salmond/Cherry one?

There’s huge infighting and a big split in the party because of the control which they perceive as monomaniacal and not focussed on independence

Ah get you now. I thought you were meaning that he wasn't snp.

No, you can tell he is by his aggressively Scottish outfits