Hogmanae

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This is an ongoing thread for Scottish mumsnetters - or indeed non Scottish mumsnetters such as myself, to comment on ongoing covid matters pertinent to ourselves, in a hopefully not too partisan and friendly fashion.

Confused by the switch on the 23rd- does that mean you default to the tier restrictions you currently reside in, up to and including the 22nd, then all is fine from 23rd. You then switch back to the UK tier rules you’re residing in on the 28th, wherever that is if you’ve travelled to form a bauble?

Just had a wee look to see what tier we would need to get to to be able to take a christmas day walk to the pub and have a pint. Level 1.

Can have a drink with a substantial meal in level 2. But the pub doesn't do meals on Christmas day and kinda planning a substantial meal of our own...

Bollocks - We'll be lucky to get to 3 by Christmas.

Personally I think that none of the central belt/cities will go down to below 2 so they can basically stop anyone going out for a drink over the festive period. Inversneckie excepted.

Thanks folks.

I have no intention to bubble. I could be bubbled now as i’m single and live alone but it just doesn’t work for me.

If I can still potentially see a friend for a walk out with the Christmas bubbles then that would just about keep me going for rest of the year.

I guess we will get more details tomorrow.

I think it means that travel and household meetings are the new Christmas restrictions but everything else will be at the level you are already in. So all levels can have christmas dinner but hospitality/shopping and other rules remain the same.

wax but presuming it’s a generic, one size fits all, set of rules from 23rd onwards? Otherwise, why have a joined up announcement? So if pubs open (with rules, presumably around serving substantial food for you to have a drink) in England, Wales wherever, that has to happen here too? Or am I being naive?

Posting this from the gov.uk site, to save all you good people a click...

Between 23 and 27 December:

• you can form an exclusive ‘Christmas bubble’ composed of people from no more than three households
• you can only be in one Christmas bubble
• you cannot change your Christmas bubble
• you can travel between tiers and UK nations for the purposes of meeting your Christmas bubble
• you can only meet your Christmas bubble in private homes or in your garden, places of worship, or public outdoor spaces
• you can continue to meet people who are not in your Christmas bubble outside your home according to the rules in the tier where you are staying
• you cannot meet someone in a private dwelling who is not part of your household or Christmas bubble

My understanding from reading that is that in your bubble, you become one household and can stay/travel together and not socially distance. You can meet others out of the bubble according to the tier rules, except the "no private dwelling" thing presumably overrides the tier 1/2 (3?) rules.

Why the bubble can't go to hospitality if it's open is more of a mystery to me... Just because it suddenly contradicts the 2 households/rule of six previously in place? Who knows

Who knows why you can't have the bubble in hospitality. Possibly because they haven't restricted numbers and therefore it messes up the rule of 6. Three households could be 15 people.

Because hospitality is fun and therefore EVIL

Thanks for the details @polarisation that makes me happier knowing i can still see friends outside.

It could also be the 4 nations have different rules re hospitality so would to confusing.

The bubble thing is really to all families who are a distance away to travel and have time together. It does make sense for the UK to have one set of rules or you'd end upwith a Canaries illogical set of rules. Legal for Grandparents to visit but illegal for them to level home.

If they think folk will bubble up for Christmas but spend Hogmanay alone they need their heads looking at. Hogmanay can be a really bloody miserable time for many people.

I am knackered from running about mad after my toddler at home when it’s so grotty outside. I work from home Wed-Fri and normally I’d be so looking forward to my lunchtime swims but as that’s not going to be happening I might just go to Home Bargains at lunch.

Gah, so clear as mud then?

Seems it's not just scotland/uk that are losing the plot. Watch the first few minutes of this from Ireland where there is a zoom with schoolchildren suggesting amongst other things that an unremovable bracelet (like a criminal has?) or other type of pass could be given if they are good boys and girls and get immunised and then they can have their prom...

If they think folk will bubble up for Christmas but spend Hogmanay alone they need their heads looking at. Hogmanay can be a really bloody miserable time for many people.

I was thinking that too, esp if it's people who are WFH, or on holiday, who else would they be mixing with?

I imagine the Bold Boris isn't bothered about Hogmanay or the 1st. Queen Nik is anti drink so she's not going to fight anyone corner. Actually she'd lock us up for Christmas is she could.

Waxon - is that seriously real?
WTF have I just watched??

Is Nic teetotal? I've seen her drinking, albeit many years ago.

I'd be a bit fecked off if I was in tier 1, and hunners of tier 4 folk are going to turn up on the 23rd, go to the shops, pubs and restaurants, spread the virus.

@Bikingbear I know eh? I follow Ivor and he talks a lot of sense and there is a growing group using actual data. I appreciate that not everyone is interested in that. But this video - just wow!

Not entirely clear what happens if you already have an extended household (as they were terming it at one point)

We're already an extended household with MIL. So do we get another two households, or do we break out and become two households meaning only one more? The former makes more sense since households doing that are already "exposed"

This creates a fun dynamic for us with divorced in laws and a wicked step-mother in law in the picture.

I would develop a persistent cough if I were you @StatisticallyChallenged, roundabout the 23rf December

You get another 2 households on top of MIL, statisticallychallenged. Existing bubbles count as one household.

Students also count as part of their parents’ household once they get there.

Because hospitality is fun and therefore EVIL
nailed it!

The rules are getting more confusing by the day (intentionally?!) so all the poor buggers trying to do the right thing will err on the side of caution & those that aren’t reading the rules will do what they want anyway

Having 3 households for Christmas will create endless arguments. Whose parents do you visit? Which child is allowed home? Heaven forbid if some people are divorced and have new partners. Imagine having to choose. Yikes! 🤦🏻‍♀️

icanboogie don't know if she's TT but she anti drink, minimum pricing, no offers 3 for 2, no points, lower the drink drive limit, and now your not allowed a drink with your dinner!
What's all that if not anti drink?

I wouldn’t be gagging to go on a night out with her

Callisto it's already causing conflict here coupled with the fear factor.
Hand on heart I'd love to have my Sis, kids & Dmum, who are one bubble. I wouldn't mind the ILs too. However neither of the families want to mix because of the fear factor.
It feels wrong to leave in laws on their own. My hearts breaking.