Fears For Tiers

[Bytheloch]

Thread #567 Still here, getting through each day one 2M step away at a time. November into December 2020 here we go...

Oh, found it - on scottish parliament tv, can only get on my phone though.

@Possums4evr, considering that the threshold is 15mins within 2 m, I find it hard to believe that kids would stay spaced apart like that constantly.

It genuinely does seem though that schools are not the drivers they were feared to be. Which is good.

*im trying to be positive as I’m really gutted by the other measures, which have ruined my little day to day life and the efforts I’ve made to stop being nuts

Really Arkadia? As they are, they sit shoulder to shoulder, hour after hour. If they could sit 2m apart it would vastly reduce the time spent in close contact. Lunches and breaks still a concern obviously - in some countries they eat at their desks.
Hopefully tier 4 will at least involve mask wearing. Other countries must laugh at our "mitigations".

But the schools are not the drivers, @Possums4evr

S4-S6 wear masks all day now.
And the rest are supposed to wear them in communal areas/corridors,etc

Oh i know that, but that's tier 3 - I assumed tier 4 would mean some additional mitigations. How could it not?
Whether they are the main drivers or not isn't relevant to the need to make them safe. Nail bars or vets or coffee shops may not be the main drivers but we still expect them to take steps to keep their clients and staff safe, don't we?

I just hope these restrictions don’t end up being absolutely pointless. If the schools are driving the numbers in some areas (and I don’t know if they are), then closing gyms, pools, cafes, clothes shops etc may not have much of an effect. But I guess this is how we find out.

Letter sent home to Glasgow parents. Additional steps. No PE indoors, no clubs or supported study. Pupils who were shielding not to attend until they have a risk assessment. (similar for staff) Gosh I feel safer...
Then a telling off for primary pupils having sleepovers and teenagers having social events...
By my quick reckoning my large Glasgow secondary had 10% of the pupils off at one point last week, either positive cases or associated isolation.

I thought NS said that teachers were at no higher risk of catching it than other workers - also a report stated that?

The full report findings are available across a number of news sites tonight. Worth a read if anyone has been anxious about school transmission rates.

Please tell me how a teacher spending an hour each day indoors with over a hundred students is at the same risk as people who are working from home, or in a spaced out office, or a shop with screens and a limit on numbers allowed in? We are clearly not at the same risk as healthcare staff, though they should at minimum have decent PPE which school staff certainly do not.

@Possums4evr

Really Arkadia? As they are, they sit shoulder to shoulder, hour after hour. If they could sit 2m apart it would vastly reduce the time spent in close contact. Lunches and breaks still a concern obviously - in some countries they eat at their desks. Hopefully tier 4 will at least involve mask wearing. Other countries must laugh at our "mitigations".

Where do they eat then? I'm in England. My secondary school child is eating lunch outside while the dcs in my primary school are eating at their desks.

Ours eat in the social area and then need to go outside or into a different indoor area if its pissing down like it was today

Anyone visit a shopping centre today? I went to get my niece a birthday present (left it too late to order online) and it was absolutely mobbed. Worse than I expected.

We went out for groceries at 830 and it was very busy by the time we left. Argos had a queue out the door and that's a small mall with less than 20 shops.

I'd expect the combo of horrible weather plus upcoming restrictions will have made places like Livingston centre absolutely heaving

I will not step foot in The Centre at Livingston for a looong time! Hate it when it's busy at the best of times! Can imagine how busy it will be this weekend....grim.

in some countries they eat at their desks. Our children eat at their desks every day. They have 45 minutes lunch time 20 minutes to play outside then the rest eating lunch at their desks. Today they were stuck at their desks the whole day as it pished rain all day so outdoor playtime or lunchtime

@blowinahoolie

I will not step foot in The Centre at Livingston for a looong time! Hate it when it's busy at the best of times! Can imagine how busy it will be this weekend....grim.

It'll be shut - the tier upgrades take effect on Friday don't they?

Good school news

Three quarters of schools includes tiny primary schools in places like Tiree and Rum. These teeny wee schools that are in the news periodically as they have so few pupils. If there are NO cases in an area they're hardly likely to be spreading in schools. So that figure (like so many others we are presented with at the daily briefing) is one worth a little extra scrutiny.

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"It'll be shut - the tier upgrades take effect on Friday don't they?"

Doh! 🤦 Statistically , I completely wasn't thinking there.