November Lockdown: Mibbes Aye Mibbes Naw

[BlueThursday]

Thread 3!!!!

Testing needs to be accompanied by enforced quarantine / self-isolation, and those who have to need reliable and sufficient financial and other support to do so.
Otherwise I see us going round in circles.

I think if they reduced the self isolation to 7 days it would make a big difference

And yes, masks when you can socially distance outside is just nonsensical

Agree, Europe largely screwing it up with what seems to be the worst of all worlds

Any theories as to why we are doing so badly?

Or if they believe 14 is needed then it's 14 but govt will pay 90% of wages, with some sort of fixed amount for self employed maybe? It needs to be viable and supported for people to isolate

Today at school drop off, parents huddled in groups catching up- why? Because they were wearing masks, as asked for (guidance, not law) by SG last week. It clearly makes them feel invincible at the school gates today, compared to every other week since August🤷‍♀️

This arbitrary rule that’s been thrown into the mix after all this time is not necessary, we were all doing perfectly fine dropping off (not allowed in playground at my ds age group anyway) distancing and leaving the area.
I will not be wearing a mask to drop or collect DC. I will be respectful to the school staff by wearing one if I enter the school premises, but not on the street outside or the walk to/from school.

I’d love to see the data that supports wearing a mask outside- DC been mixing indoors all day- when collecting your child will help reduce the spread in your community.

I can't see any country is really winning, France, Spain, Germany, hardly triumphant.

We'll not get a change of this shambles til the vaccine's been tried.

Tbh if it IS amazing, very tight restrictions were the way forward, if it isn't, then Swedish model has to happen. No govt will commit til we know.

I can't help thinking earlier and stronger international cooperation would've been better but of course it fell apart early (looking at you Trump!).

Agree on the masks in the playground. I wonder if it is more about reinforcing adult to adult measures within the school community. Or preventing growing calls for more draconian measures on teachers and older children from the parents who were not impacted.

Common thread here and elsewhere is for areas with fewer measures to call for more and more stringent measures on more affected areas in hopes of being spared. Expanding impact of measures cuts down on this tendency.

Main problem with testing from people affected I know is that the 14 day quarantine period is almost over before they are informed they need to isolate.

If we went back to people with symptoms staying at home and informing their close contacts to do likewise we may well have just as much impact as current t&t efforts. If people plus family members have had to self-isolate multiple times the temptation to "explain away" a real potential case must be quite strong. (I know several families already on their 3rd isolation period where no-one has been ill)

Because they were wearing masks, as asked for (guidance, not law) by SG last week.

Ahhhh, is this a requirement/ guidance now then? I honestly totally missed this! We got a text from (primary) school this morning saying it was a new government regulation that masks must be worn for dropping off children in school grounds or in the school. I assumed it was a general reminder thing but could be disregarded because our playground is absolutely huge and there is no difficulty distancing from others at all. Also, I only do collection and not dropping off DH doesn't go into the playground at all to drop off, but that's not safe for collection for various reasons.

I checked the regulations and they still only referred to face coverings being obligatory in certain places indoors, and the guidance on wearing face coverings also hasn't changed, ("only outdoors where you can't socially distance") so I don't know where the new regs/ guidance are?

On a more positive note school is saying children can now have PE inside and NHS dentistry is returning to full service model. Fingers crossed this doesn't all unwind with calls for full lockdown including school closure being pushed on MSM.

I agree re not knowing until we understand vaccine better - it just seems like we have the worst of all worlds at the moment.

On deaths, looking at deaths per million we're not coming out well tbh. In between Spain and Italy and with only San Marino, Belgium and Andorra above Spain - looking at Europe specifically. Germany is a lot lower.

@NotAnActualSheep our school sent message out worded as ‘advised by the SG’ It was announced by JS last week, to be introduced from today. The uptake today was quite high- teachers wearing masks whilst greeting the children in playground for first time too☹️ and as I said, has already impacted behaviour around lingering at school gates. (Off to pick up now, will be interesting to see difference today)

The masks in playgrounds is so variable. My DDs old school, playground the size of a postage stamp, no chance of 2m distancing. Other local schools had big spaces and were able to create solid handover/queueing areas. But some people do think masks make them invincible

@Dinnafashyersel

On a more positive note school is saying children can now have PE inside and NHS dentistry is returning to full service model. Fingers crossed this doesn't all unwind with calls for full lockdown including school closure being pushed on MSM.

Oh I missed the PE inside one? Great news for winter if so. Is this blanket Scotland or only ‘cleanish’ tiers, I’m in t3, so maybe that won’t happen here?

[quote Bytheloch]@NotAnActualSheep our school sent message out worded as ‘advised by the SG’ It was announced by JS last week, to be introduced from today. The uptake today was quite high- teachers wearing masks whilst greeting the children in playground for first time too☹️ and as I said, has already impacted behaviour around lingering at school gates. (Off to pick up now, will be interesting to see difference today)[/quote]
Thanks! Yes, looking into it it was part of the "masks to be worn by senior years of high schools in tier 3 areas" announcement, but it had honestly slipped past me. The guidance is in the "schools" guidance and not the "face covering" guidance. Obviously that's the first place you'd look to see where you should be wearing a face covering...

It's a bit pointless. I thought the SNP liked passing things down to councils or individual school level to make decisions based on their own situation, but not here, apparently. I can see it would make sense for some schools, but they would already presumably be recommended to do so as part of the school's risk assessment. I think this will be my first deliberate guidance-break. I'm losing any good will I had frankly. (oh no, I lie, I caught the bus for a non essential reason yesterday - to go to church. Go me and my rule breaking lifestyle).

Yes particularly in Scotland where we've had a slower relaxation of rules, an earlier re-tightening of them - agree emotionally it feels like rubbish.

Let's see, maybe the SNP will get their furlough voucher with an expiration date of 31/12/2020, and choose to risk locking down later if required.

I now have this image of an actual furlough voucher...dear Nicola, IOU 4 weeks, love Rishi

This is probably just me, but it seems like the Tories are just handing the SNP open goal after open goal with opportunities to say "see, England centric" when two seconds of thought would deal with it. It just seems odd, like their current leadership have basically given up on keeping Scotland

I agree statistically, whoever is in charge of tory comms is doing an abysmal job

I've thought of late that boris has no interest in winning another election as leader at all!

I am also tier 3 and indoor PE message to our local primary and secondary.

dear Nicola, IOU 4 weeks, love Rishi

But yes, this is spectacularly bad even by tory standards. You'd have thought someone there would have sat up and listened when Douglas Ross was saying basically the same as NS... That shouldn't really be happening!

Yeah Douglas Ross must've had quite a few calls from irate business owners about ready to tear up their membership cards!

Boris is likely eyeing up the £ he can make in America talking about brexit and covid.

@anon444877

I've thought of late that boris has no interest in winning another election as leader at all!

Can't see him lasting his full term, he's clearly incompetent and loathing the job