October Becomes November Lockdown

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I suspect this will be the second of many

They are making out the higlands and islands plus Orkney and Shetland will be a 1. Some of the Islands deserve a 0.
Aberdeen has frequently had lower cases than the Highlands. Grampian was not mentioned but its sounding like a 2 which is too high I feel.
If we get a 2 then Dundee will have to get a 3 as they're much higher.

They shouldn't treat the central belt all the same though as they're within travelling distance. If an area is tier 4 they should have the same travel ban that Aberdeen had which was 5 miles except for work, care, emergencies.

Don’t give them ideas for travel bans!!

Omg who even knows know which tier anyone is in.

It’s like throw a dart

My eyes are so swivelling they might fall out

Shoogly pegs and not all Lanarkshire people are like that.

Loving the work here. Cheered me up 😂😂

Scotgov - creates 5 tiers

Also Scotgov - puts everyone on the same one...

I live in Lanarkshire and have no other family in Lanarkshire and haven’t seen a member of my family since last December.

But it’s ok I’ll be allowed out to work in a school

@WaxOnFeckOff

Scotgov - creates 5 tiers

Also Scotgov - puts everyone on the same one...

Got to laugh...

(& while NALPALT must of course be true my in-laws are exactly like that!)

At least pubs and restaurants can open indoors now with winter coming.

DF travelling to helensburgh every day for his pint. Comes home soaked / cold.
He's that fucking desperate for a pint and thinks Covid is pish (and he's got a science background himself).
We despair with him although we are in agreement that SG are making a mess of it all.

At least DF will be warm soon when on his travels to helensburgh but only a matter of time before the fucking eejit catches it and gives it to us all.

Don't worry @WouldBeGood the scot gov have setup 5 tiers so they can demonstrate faster movement through the tiers than rUK so in about two weeks from Wednesday we'll start to hear 'good news' about the success of the strategy and of course they'll start out high.

You've got to hand it to the scot gov, people don't understand data on the whole (present company excepted) so now we've finally got a 'simplified' measurement system that reduces the need to talk about the underlying data.

@throwingawaymyshot I sympathise - my parents wouldn't fly but seem to think they can't catch it from teenagers they know, amazed they've escaped it so long!

It is a bit sad that people with larger close families and strong connected communities are being punished the worst with covid infections.

Dh is wondering why we aren't solely focusing on hospital/nhs capability at this stage - I've given up wondering as we can't do anything about it!

It's never going to end if this keeps happening - large, organised house parties. So we've been following guidelines, not meeting other family members who are also following the guidelines, but these twats just carry on regardless.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-54710380

@Rae36

I would avoid news on the telly, and delete apps. It's so easy to start to obsess over statistics and conflicting opinions

I've done this. I just can't be bothered any more. None of it makes sense. We've decided what we are going to do for Christmas, we're going to take the kids out of school a week early and stay at home, then rent an air bnb near my parents and see them on Christmas day and boxing day. So that's sorted, I can't face thinking about all the rest.

But I appreciate we're lucky to both be able to work from home and have reasonable job security for now. So the worst we have to worry about is whether we can go to a cafe or not and I can deal with that worry.

I find it beyond irritating that the 5 tiers only go up to number 4. Surely the tiers should be 1-5? If you're in tier 0 then surely you're not in any tier at all and have no restrictions? Pile of shite, honestly. (I realise the num wring of the tiers is really not something worth being pissed off about but that small thing has just tipped me over the edge)

I agree. Level 0 should be no restrictions at all - back to normal. I am annoyed at the numbering too.

Tbh, while the party throwing is twattish as it has the potential to be a superspreader event, at this point I don't think it's ever going to end anyway. We got our levels down very low, only partially reopened, and look where we are a few months later. It's in pretty much every country worldwide, there's no appetite for closing borders for any period of time, and whilst we most likely will get a vaccine a) we probably won't all get it, b) it likely won't be close to fully effective

There's also the big question of how long immunity lasts. After it being discussed upthread I read a new study which suggests antibody levels falling already- the unknown is if other immune reactions will take over but it's a big unknown. My understanding is that for SARS1 immunity seems to have lasted well, for the other cold causing coronaviruses it doesn't. It's a waiting game to see where this one lands - we may still just be too early to be seeing reinfection. But a lot of scientific are now suggesting that C19 will just join up and become one of the regularly circulating bugs, the ones which are relatively seasonal. If immunity isn't long lasting it's likely the vaccine won't be lifelong either although may last longer.

We (as in the government) need to start looking much longer term in how we live with this.

I agree. Level 0 should be no restrictions at all - back to normal. I am annoyed at the numbering too.

To be fair, and i know it's not like me :o, Boris and crew started it with calling Tier 1 medium. It didn't then leave a lot of scope for "low" and "no restrictions". Did we even need numbers?

No restrictions
Low
Medium
High
Very High

That would have worked just as well no?

We seem to somewhere have politicians across RUK that have accepted there is no return to normal - tiers 0-4 don't have an old normal, and the parameter that it's this until 'cure or vaccine' hasn't been put to any kind of vote.

Sorry the whole of the UK...

Even more worryingly, the document actually talks about a vaccine allowing ‘a return to as close to normal as possible’. So the government are not guaranteeing we will
go back to normal.

@WaxOnFeckOff

Scotgov - creates 5 tiers

Also Scotgov - puts everyone on the same one...

Also Scotgov - decides that actually meeting in people's houses as allowed in level 1 isn't going to be allowed in level 1 for a bit (apparently...I've not seen that confirmed anywhere formal yet, but haven't looked hard too painful to imagine level 1 )

What is the fucking point?

Will anyone get level 1. Is level 1 with no home visiting not just what anyone outside the central belt already has?

I agree, there is no point, no plan for normal life, govt to control population for the forseeable....people need to wake the fuck up no matter which side of the covid divide they sit on.

@Ecosse

Even more worryingly, the document actually talks about a vaccine allowing ‘a return to as close to normal as possible’. So the government are not guaranteeing we will go back to normal.

Yes, way back in the midst of time when we were working to the "roadmap" and phases (?) I remember thinking that Phase 4 (?) when we'd conquered the virus or whatever, still wasn't "normal". They were still talking about social distancing, limiting large gatherings and so on. I thought at the time that that wouldn't happen...that people would just not stand for it and there'd be massive outrage at that time if there were such restrictions remaining. But now I'm not so sure. I think we're just so beaten down by it all, we'll take whatever is given to us

@WaxOnFeckOff

Will anyone get level 1. Is level 1 with no home visiting not just what anyone outside the central belt already has?

I agree, there is no point, no plan for normal life, govt to control population for the forseeable....people need to wake the fuck up no matter which side of the covid divide they sit on.

No, level 1 has ALCOHOL. Inside an actual pub. Not that that's the main thing for me or anything.

Well if the snp rock up on Thursday and confirm that 4 of the tiers being introduced (1-4) aren't allowing for play dates/at home family and friends visits, that looks like a communications own goal to me.

My sister has been desperate to come up this autumn, she's on a low income that has been lowered further by covid and is now having to look at staying at hotels, because she may be allowed to do that but she can't stay with me. Ridiculous.

It's beautiful really, nobody in tier 0 which is anyway not normal, and tiers 1-4 not allowing for indoor socialising. You can only laugh.