October Becomes November Lockdown

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I suspect this will be the second of many

I strongly suspect they allowing pubs to open without selling alcohol is solely so that the government can reduce financial support as they can claim pubs and restaurants aren’t legally closed.

Realistically I can’t see many in the central belt still being here this time next year. Alcohol can only be sold without a meal at level 1, which the central belt doesn’t seem like Emeterio y anytime soon.

Yes...I imagine there will be a lot of Manchester style collaborations where local restaurants team up with pubs to provide a food offering to the pub customers. Like this pizza restaurant next door to a bar, delivering substantial slices to the bar

There's going to be no hospitality or events industry left. Probably a few places which are traditionally family friendly, busy at lunch and probably in shopping centres might be ok. But most...

I don't even drink alcohol but even I can see this is nuts. I think compliance will be way lower, firstly due to fatigue/no longer believing in the rules and secondly due to winter. Meeting up outside is not such a viable or appealing option in December vs April - and we had unusually nice weather in spring too which would have helped

I'm East Renfrewshire wax, but I can't figure out how to see the cases there?

Figures for East Ren up to 26/10 are 247 per 100k over 7 days ssd.

Do you need any other figures?

Unfortunately the links tend to take you to the home page

public.tableau.com/profile/phs.covid.19#!/vizhome/COVID-19DailyDashboard_15960160643010/Overview

you can go on daily update or cases by neighbourhood.

On the daily update, there is a box to the top right of the figures where you can change from Health Board to Local authority.

On the neighbourhood ones, you need to give it a minute to load and then you need to scroll up to get the boxes where you can change to your local council and click on the local bit you want

On Travelling tabby you need to go onto the local tab at the top for a choice of different breakdowns, there is also one for deaths but its not updated as frequently.

www.travellingtabby.com/scotland-coronavirus-tracker/local

There is also some useful info on the document posted above which you need to download to view

www.gov.scot/binaries/content/documents/govscot/publications/factsheet/2020/10/coronavirus-covid-19-protection-levels-updated-draft-27-october-2020/documents/indicators-paper/indicators-paper/govscot%3Adocument/Indicators%2Bpaper%2B26%2BOct%2B1645.pdf

This will give info on forecasts for bed use etc

East ren 9.24 positive test rate

It's basically hitting 3 on all factors except ICU so is likely to be 3.

Stirling hitting 2 or 0 for all factors but also marked to be a 3

Open the pubs but don't let them sell booze.

You couldn't make it up.

People will be much more likely to congregate in houses if hospitality is shut.

Already muttering about get togethers round me from previously very obedient types 🤷🏻‍♀️

Yeah I know open pubs. No booze. Is this so government said you can open so we won’t help you ?

Yeah I do think people are meeting in houses.

The feeling of what the heck next. So people are giving up trying to follow endless switch and bait rules

To be honest, I like a drink in a pub and wouldn’t go to one for juice.

Same with a meal out. And I deeply resent being dictated to for absolutely no good or scientific reason.

Imo the key indicators should be hospital and ICU capacity. Rates per 100,000 and positivity rates don’t really tell us much- hundreds of students getting it isn’t really a problem as long as it’s contained.

The aim should be to ensure there are enough enough hospital beds and staff for everyone who needs treated. It doesn’t make sense to me why areas like Edinburgh, Falkirk and Stirling where hospitals are in no danger of being overwhelmed within the next 6 weeks are in level 3.

Agree WouldBeGood. Although I don't mind a meal without a drink as I don't drink much nowadays. My DH and DS would prefer a pint or a cider with a meal although DH sometimes just has water. If we weren't going for a meal then we wouldn't go to a pub for a soft drink.

If I was going to a restaurant, I'd generally like a glass of wine with my dinner unless I needed to drive.

Most folk don't want to get rat arsed, they just want civilisation. If they are restricting alcohol, they could easily apply a 2 drink limit just the same.

mo the key indicators should be hospital and ICU capacity. Rates per 100,000 and positivity rates don’t really tell us much- hundreds of
students getting it isn’t really a problem as long as it’s contained.

Exactly - lots of S4 - S6 pupils getting it and feeling a bit off-colour for a few days is nothing to get excited about. Which seems to be what's mostly happening in my area. But each one of those kids is a "case", pushes the little map a bit further into the red and stops me having a glass of vino with my lunch?

Yeah right.

Exactly Ecosse.

We should maybe be testing care home staff and those admitted to hospital and otherwise stop testing, it's irrelevant and just spreads fear and anxiety.

couldn't agree more - I don't know how we've gotten so far away from the essential point of making sure the NHS can cope to the government dictating whether consenting adults can have a glass of wine or beer in a pub!

At the very least, if you enjoy the feeling of transgression it must be happy times! So many new rules to ignore. The police must be despairing.

I am in general a person who doesn't walk on the grass if it says so, so I find myself very frustrated and anxious about it all to be honest.

We have had one death badged to covid in Stirling-shire since May. Obviously every death is sad but, about 150 people die every day in Scotland so our "share" would be what about 3 a day?

Scuse my arithmetic if that is off.

So 400 plus people in the same period didn't die from Covid.

We have had one death badged to covid in Stirling-shire since May

And we're back to the fact that deaths aren't necessarily "deaths from covid", it's any death within 28 days of a positive test. Which isn't the same thing at all, but is being presented as if it is.

I remember my dd asked me why people break rules a year or so ago and I said I have no idea. I'm starting to get it but I don't enjoy the feeling at all.

The way deaths are being defined is a bit nuts - but then they had to redefine how they counted positive tests a couple of weeks ago as that was out of whack too. It's understandable early on but again, 8 months in we should be able to actually say "this person had Covid and it contributed to their death, mark this as a Covid death". Not "this person came in to hospital due to being injured in a car crash, but had covid two weeks ago, covid death"

here is an interesting video from the US where currently a covid death reporting scandal brewing