October Becomes November Lockdown

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I suspect this will be the second of many

I can't see the point of introducing a tier system starting on Monday and then switching it up again. But then who knows with this bastard year.

Ignore the grammar error in my post above- not had much sleep.

I bet NS is mad that Boris has trumped her ridiculous tiers idea with hints of a full lockdown. No doubt our tiers will last till her Thursday announcement when she'll tell us they're not working and we have to go into a full lockdown again.

I am at the stage when I wonder what is the point of anything any more. Nothing to look forward to at all - Christmas won't be happening, can't see even a summer 2021 holiday being a possibility.

It seems strange to do this in England as they're still moving areas into tiers and putting funding in place. Although it all looks like they attempted to ignore the circuit break advice and are now having to pivot.

Or perhaps they are going for the 'leak scary prospect, let everyone froth about it then announce something totally different.' I am so fed up of that. I also think it's really irresponsible as I bet loads of people will rush out and do panic Christmas shopping after reading that lockdown is planned until start of December.

I also sometimes cynically wonder if the 'leak to the press at the weekend' approach is because they don't want to pay for focus groups so just wait to see what everyone says online.

The amount of changes and stuff over the last few weeks is ridiculous.

I get the logic of a lockdown. But I don't see the point of lockdowns killing shops, businesses and other small enterprises while the schools remain open. Lockdowns at this time of year are Amazon's dream.

It has to be all or nothing and people won't take it seriously while their kids are interacting with half the town at school. If my kids can see that many people I'm seeing my family.

Can you have the logic both ways - if Scotland is reseeded from England and travel, per the SNP, can they resist the chance to lock down completely in tandem given our inter connectedness?

I'm trying not to think about it anymore - as wax said, we're not in power and can't about this.

Been trying to find sensible information as to where infections are happening across the UK with little luck. Lockdown but keeping schools open seems like trying to heat a house with all the doors and windows open.

Will the likes of manchester still get their agreed money if there is a national rather than local lockdown?

People from north of England will just come into Scotland for a pint, won't they?

press conference announced for 4pm today so looks like it really was a leak and not going to be good news...

but its england only isn't it?

Sturgeon tweeted earlier, basically saying that we're different, not as bad here, but also need to consider what rUK are doing and specifically mentioned taking into account any financial support package put in place

I think if there is full furlough again and maybe another round of business grants or similar then she will go for it.

Nicola also tweeted about not travelling to England. Failed to mention that Glasgow rates are higher than most other UK cities. Other regions of Scotland twin with many parts of the U.K. for figures too.
Or is this all dirty England’s fault for not being telt soon enough?

Timing is everything. Furlough ending politics at play by all nations.
No prizes for the lowest cases, folks.

So any chance of all nations working together, for the sake of all people in the UK?

Yes we may be in for it if the support is good as then it's the less risky option politically. If we don't lockdown and current restrictions don't work, that won't look so good.

It could be preferable for a coordinated lock down and definite lift by Christmas from several povs as tier 3 isn't much fun as it is. We'll see

Or is this all dirty England’s fault for not being telt soon enough?

Exactly this.

Given that hospitality has already been closed for 3 weeks here (when they were open in England), it would not be fair to have a situation where they are closed again for 4 weeks. Particularly when they’ve been told they can open on Monday and will have taken bookings and ordered stock etc.

There is perhaps justification for stronger measures in Glasgow and Lanarkshire. But certainly not the rest of the country that has much lower rates than England.

Particularly when they’ve been told they can open on Monday and will have taken bookings and ordered stock etc.

Yes, this. A further tightening of restrictions with so little notice or justification would show so little respect and consideration for the hospitality industry (and indeed other businesses) that have been clawing their way back to almost-viability over the summer, just to be knocked back again on a whim, as to be a political disaster.

Of course NS can activate Tartan Tier 4 as "our" nationwide lockdown, but that would be so transparent as to lose all credibility. Why even bother working out indicators, protection levels and so on, if they are ignored even more so than they have been already at the whiff of a bit more UK support? It would give the impression that she had no confidence in the existing measures to lower hospitalizations and ultimately deaths, which given we've been in them for over 3 weeks now, and for the foreseeable future had BJ not u-turned, is a bit of an own goal, surely?

The figures are looking quite positive today- 1100 cases with 700 of them in Glasgow and Lanarkshire.

Fewer people in hospital and fewer in ICU. There is certainly no justification for tougher measures outside the west.

@Ecosse

The figures are looking quite positive today- 1100 cases with 700 of them in Glasgow and Lanarkshire.

Fewer people in hospital and fewer in ICU. There is certainly no justification for tougher measures outside the west.

Agreed. There seems to be a downward trend over the past few days - fingers crossed.

she might move D&G and borders up into tier 3 in light of English lockdown.

I suspect she might put Glasgow and Lanarkshire into tier 4 if there is funding being made available.

Agree and they can't use "it's a weekend" excuse.

1101 cases today - 1433 last Saturday.

22 fewer people in hospital today, 3 fewer in ICU.

The travelling tabby "percentage of tests positive" is interesting - 8.7% last Saturday, 6.8% by wednesday, 6.2% today.

R number down from upper estimate of 1.7 at end September to 1.3 today. Our "heat map" for my region has gone from Black towards the red.

Glasgow isn't actually higher than most UK cities. I was speaking to my friend in London a couple of weeks ago and she had similar cases per 100k to what Glasgow had yet didn't have any restrictions ( we did) and London was viewed as low and not a 'hotspot' due to the higher cases in other cities.

Comparing similar sized cities- Manchester and Liverpool are much higher than Glasgow still and Birmingham 's roughly the same ( covid rate).
At least that's what I'm seeing in my sleep deprived state.

@Scotslassie1

Glasgow isn't actually higher than most UK cities. I was speaking to my friend in London a couple of weeks ago and she had similar cases per 100k to what Glasgow had yet didn't have any restrictions ( we did) and London was viewed as low and not a 'hotspot' due to the higher cases in other cities.

Sssh. You're not allowed to say anything on here that doesn't fit the 'dirty, covid-ridden Glasgow' narrative. There are many of here who would be delighted if they just sealed up the city and left us to cough ourselves to death.