October lockdown?

[Goingdooolally]

Hi
I can’t see another thread on this and I think it’s more Scotland than general CV related.

Any thoughts on this? I’m a teacher and there’s been no word at work but I’m hoping to go away for a week in half term (west coast) and really really hoping lockdown doesn’t happen! Selfish I know, but we need a break!

Anyone got any views on the likelihood?

We are back to the problem that it's a new virus and so will affect large numbers all at once.

Even on his figures lots of adults meeting this for the first time will get post viral syndrome. Even if it's the same % as normally get it following a bout of chicken pox, say. That's a large number of working age adults unable to function properly.

www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/scotland-staycation-lockdown-rules-confirmed-22811460
Scottish holiday confirmation for those in the central belt.

Thank you @Justmuddlingalong (even if it was a daily record link )

Brazenly thanks for the link to Raj Bhopal. I read one of his articles and will follow him on Twitter now. I agree with his thinking on creating trust in all sectors of society.

blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2020/09/29/raj-bhopal-blaming-petrifying-and-punishing-the-population-are-not-viable-long-term-public-health-strategies/

Here's another link www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/news/18779478.scotlands-new-lockdown-rules-mean-travelling-staycations/
Although the Visit Scotland website is still a bit woolly about the area with more severe restrictions.
www.visitscotland.com/about/practical-information/covid-19-recovery-phases/ 🤷‍♀️

@Arkadia you've asked me questions that you just don't want to hear my answer to because you don't agree with me.
Dentists are not entirely shut and never have been- emergency treatment has been available throughout.
Medical procedures are going ahead including operations- not all elective surgery everywhere, but it's not confined to emergency only.
Gyms were open although sadly soft plays have never re opened. But they are a soup of germs and hard surfaces so hardly surprising!!!!

There are only 123 ITU beds in Scotland and 31 of them used up by covid.
We need to take some pretty strict measures now if hospitals are going to be able to meet the challenge over the winter.

Normal dental care has disappeared for our family.
My medical appointments have been postponed, one surgery indefinitely and one monitoring a

Monitoring appointment keeps getting pushed back, currently sitting at next February.

I'm not sure what to do now tbh. My health feels like it's going down the drain.

@SallySeven sad to hear that, I have had remote appointments with my consultant, my children have both been seen in person, others in my family have had routine operations and dental emergency care. That's in health boards across the whole of Scotland.

Anyway my own worries are not particularly relevant but I can't see the NHS getting back from this.

@SallySeven if you are in Scotland you should be able to get a telephone or NearMe appointment. You can find your health board website and contact them through the "make a complaint" link and they have to respond.

@iskwobel, I do think you are in a different country.
All dentists can do is pull a tooth out at the hospital. No treatment allowed (unless you go private).
In our LA only one sport centre has opened. The others have been mothballed . (And I have read of petitions from our LAs against the closure of sport centres). If you go to Bannatyne's you are fine, though.
Libraries are open only for click and collect (and have been for a couple of weeks now); you may not enter the premises and can go only by appointment.
You can try and go to church. That's like entering a war zone.
Shall I go on? Does it sound like "normal" to you?

Even the few local authority gyms that are open you have to book a slot in advance. Private gyms open as normal if you can afford it.

Dentists only emergencies. Private treatment available if you can afford it.

NHS care affected. Better advice and treatment available if you can afford it.

Masks and pre booking required for galleries and attractions.

Queues for shops. No theatres, nightclubs, music or concerts.

No soft play.

It’s really really not normal.

@Arkadia maybe you are in a different country! Dentists can do more than extractions. As long as they don't do any aerosol generating procedures.
Our gym is open ( or was) and the library was limited but the books need to be quarantined so I wasn't rushing. But they have offered an e book option for years now.
Your problem seems more like a local authority or health board issue.

It shouldn't be normal ...we are in a pandemic....

You appear to live a charmed life within the NHS iskwobel.

There would be no grounds for a complaint. It's a pandemic..

@SallySeven it's worth a try.

I’ve been invited to a flu jab clinic (NHS) that they stopped giving me years ago.

I normally go private but couldn’t get one for love nor money. The NHS must have called first tabs (rightly so) on the vaccinations and now I must meet their criteria

Regarding libraries - ebooks are not a viable alternative for many. A staggering number of people have neither the equipment, the digital skills nor the connectivity to access ebooks.
Libraries are about far more than simply books. Staff do huge amounts (in non pandemic times) to counter social isolation, digital and economic inequality and to provide access to services, resources and information. They spend significant amounts of time signposting the most vulnerable to support services and helping people with all sorts of tasks such as applying for disabled parking permits.

Many authorities where libraries have nor fully reopened are where cultural services have been spun off to arms length organisations or trusts .
Rant over- sorry it really grips me when people say "oh but there's ebooks!"

oh and my dentist has only been treating emergencies - unless you want to go private

@readsalotgirl63 I totally agree about ebooks. I also know loads of people also rely on the free wifi at libraries and during closure were standing about outside so they could use it to access benefits etc
The whole book quarantine thing is horrible, didn't mean to sound so dismissive of libraries!

@readsalotgirl63 as for dentists it seems to depend where you are and what your NHS dentist is willing to do.

@iskwobel, no. Dentists may not carry out procedures on the NHS. But they may if you go private. That's all there is to it.
I was told by my dentist to go and buy some cement and apply it myself... Thankfully I subsequently managed to get an appointment to have it done by them. On that occasion (it was mid July, so almost 3 months ago) I was told under no uncertain terms that goodness only knows when they will restart work.

When is a cafe not a cafe?

It gets more confusing. Cafes without licences were told yesterday they could stay open. Anywhere with a licence to sell alcohol had to close. But now they are saying that a cafe with a licence can open, as long as they don't sell booze.

But what is a cafe? To me, a cafe is somewhere open breakfast to teatime, selling hot drinks, soft drinks, cake, sandwiches. Not somewhere you can buy a pint.

But how is that different from a (licensed) restaurant close to me which during the day does coffee, cakes, sandwiches, brunch, light lunches. Why can't they stay open until 6pm selling their coffee, cake and sandwiches while the unlicensed cafe over the road can sell coffee, cake and sandwiches?

No wonder the industry is up in arms.

I was wondering about cafe v cafe-bar type places.