Margaret Ferrier

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Speechless and disgusted. Is it thoughtlessness? Arrogance? Panic?

I actually don't think resignation would be good enough. She needs sacked and charged.

RepeatSwan so right on saying NS can't do more than she has bar giving her a beating!

Boris came out and said Cumming's acted with integrity and then lied for him saying he had to drive to the castle to check his eyesight. Surely no one on here believes that? Gove didn't as he couldn't say it with a straight face.

Margaret has done wrong but by NS saying there's consequences, it's completely incomprehensible ( and she's no longer a member of the party) it just shows the difference between the UK and Scottish Governments.

My sentiments exactly @ssd

I hadn't realised that even a Recall Petition was dependent on the HoC Standards Committee suspending an MP for at least 10 sitting days/14 calendar days. It would then need at least 10% of the electorate to sign it over the next 6 weeks.

Here's hoping that either she bows to the inevitable or that the Standards Committee acts quickly and decisively.

I don't think this covers the SNP in glory, it's like the early days of 'Scotland is better on Covid' revisited - one of the SNP MPs endangered the lives of the public and transport workers twice, once with symptoms and once with a confirmed test. Let's leave off the 'Nicola is brilliant' stuff for a minute...

We were talking about the lack of resignation last night and my dh pointed out that she clearly has no integrity anyway so why would she.

If she resigns she loses the £82k per year salary plus expenses and her MP salary. She will not be able to sign on and she has made herself unemployable as what organisation would want the association.

Or she stays put and keeps the money coming in as unless she faces a recall, there is nothing anyone can do.

Now I am terrible with names but it seems like there is a male msp currently doing similar but I could be getting mixed up on that one.

People are allowed to write their thoughts annon. The difference in actions and attitudes between the two is important as it affects people's behaviour.
When the Tories lied to protect Cumming's and said in a conference that parents who'd been fined would be refunded ( as they'd said Cummings hadn't broken the law) then backtracked later and said fines would stand, just not for him, you think .

@PapsofJura Yes she has absolutely no integrity, and in fact this pandemic has really highlighted the lack of integrity and total hypocrisy many of these MPs have.
No way will she resign.

You are right, @PapsofJura. Derek McKay, the former finance secretary who stood down after being caught sending suggestive messages to a 16 year old boy.

Still a MSP, still being paid a full salary to sit on his arse at home. Difference is that he can only do that until May and the Holyrood elections. Ferrier could potentially string this out until the next Westminster elections, over 4 years away. If she has the brass neck to do so.

And the Cummings thing isn't really relevant here - there just whataboutery. We're not going over all that again - nearly everyone agreed it was at best foolish and at worst downright stupid. But what Ferrier did is 100 times worse.

@BrazenlyDefying The relevance to Cummings is in the tweets and videos and statements she made to the commons & Boris requesting that he should resign or. be sacked for breaking the rules! Then she does even worse herself, and lies about it too, trying to cover it up, and doesn't take that very action herself to resign.
She must have just made all those statements about Cummings to get herself noticed. And her sense of self importance of travelling down to London on public transport with suspected covid to give a talk to a practically empty room.

@anon444877

I don't think this covers the SNP in glory, it's like the early days of 'Scotland is better on Covid' revisited - one of the SNP MPs endangered the lives of the public and transport workers twice, once with symptoms and once with a confirmed test. Let's leave off the 'Nicola is brilliant' stuff for a minute...

She can't police what the snp MPs do. All she can do is condemn them to the highest when they do something utterly stupid like this. Which she has done.

Had she still not gone?

Same integrity as so many of our own local councillors and indeed our absolute twat of an MP

Proof that if you stick a yellow rosette on an amoeba, then some people would still vote for them

No I get the relevance that she condemned Cummings, has done far worse herself and is remaining in position. I'd class that as breathtaking hypocrisy.

But all the stuff about what boris said/did or what gove said/did over cummings is irrelevant to this situation.

Parliament is very antiquated in a lot of ways. I understand that there should be some mechanism which stops MPs being given the push just because they're disliked or vote against the government. But at present it's really hard to get rid of a MP or MSP and despite what Ms Sturgeon might say, withdrawing the whip is no punishment at all to the vast majority. So she can't call herself a SNP member any more. Big deal - nobody cares.

@chrislilleyswig

Proof that if you stick a yellow rosette on an amoeba, then some people would still vote for them

Sadly so true.

[quote trumpisaflump]@chrislilleyswig

Proof that if you stick a yellow rosette on an amoeba, then some people would still vote for them

Sadly so true. [/quote]
No it's not.
It's patronising crap at its best.

It is true.

People supporting political parties like they are football teams.

Well in my experience it is true. That's at local and national government level

I've seen decent hard working councillors lose seats because of people voting for "fuck the English" type politics. In their heads I mean, not saying that is part of the SNP manifesto.

Our MP is a useless, hypocritical twat who regularly posts videos of him spouting off to half a dozen people in HoC saying "I think you'll like this". I see the replies he gets. Nothing intelligent there

He regularly berates our Tory council for decisions - the exact same decisions taken by neighbouring councils that are run by SNP. He doesn't even answer those that pull him up on the hypocrisy

Then the masses vote for him. Not because he is a good MP or even has a brain, but because, well braveheart and all that

So it might be crap in your opinion. It's true in mine

@anon444877

How is this a party fault? I don't recall anyone from the SNP party trying to excuse or justify this (Unlike the mass Tory defence of Cummings, for comparison)

@PennyCrayon85

It is true.

People supporting political parties like they are football teams.

Yep. Same could have been said about Labour candidates for a hell of a long time too.

Whataboutery. Love it

If the SNP can get away with demanding she resign and she can front out not resigning until after May that seems most likely outcome. The last thing the SNP want is a by-election against Labour in the Greater Glasgow area in the run up to Holyrood elections with their handling of Covid front and centre? Tarnished MPs and MSPs are far less risky than by-elections.

That was in response to @Chris

And to be honest Scotslassie you've just confirmed my point

They're not voting for the candidate at all

And lay off the personal insults please. It makes you look a bit silly

It's very hard to vote for the person not the party. I like my local MSP, he is very involved in community stuff, but he is a Lib Dem and I simply can't vote for the party. I had to vote last time for a woman who would cheerfully give away my rights we a female, so obviously I didn't like her as an individual but did like the party (a little bit) more.
It's hard to find anyone who represents your views sometimes.