Does anyone disagree with Scottish restrictions?

[Torvean32]

As far as i can see the spread started in Glasgow then spread to the areas around it.
NS failed to sanction them properly.
She locked Aberdeen at 82 cases.

Cases in Grampian and the Highlands are low. We are now being unfairly sanctioned. The whole thing is a joke.

NS doesn't have the guts to fully lockdown Glasgow.

Ppl in Aberdeen have less trust in NS as this goes on.

@Torvean32, does she care? Aberdeen is not Glasgow or Dundee.
It would be interesting to see how she deals with a high rise in positives in Dundee...

Ultimately whining about how unfair it is isn’t going to help anyone. I live in greater Glasgow and
Clyde, I have followed all rules and been very careful, but I was still caught up in the local restrictions. My husband works in a restaurant that has had no cases, they have been extremely vigilant at SD and following all hygiene measure, and still people including people on this thread are clamouring for them all to be shut down, despite the fact that people in these establishments haven’t earned a full wage in 6 months through no fault of their own.

You can still see family members just not in their houses. It’s not being done as a punishment it’s to try and stop people getting sick. Stomping feet and whining and “it’s not faaaaiiir” isn’t going to help bring this to an end sooner. It’s shit for everyone.

Maybe nuanced measures would be better but then where do you take it. Glasgow is a big big place. There are probably areas in Glasgow as low risk as some local authorities with v low cases. They need to draw a line somewhere and if people are already moaning about restrictions being hard to follow then that is only going to be worse if they chop and change all over the country

I am no fan of NS or the SNP but it’s shite for everyone and we just need to knuckle down

It still doesn’t make sense. Aberdeen was subject to a localised lockdown. Same could have been done in Glasgow no matter how big a city it is.
Problem is Glasgwegians thinks they are Scotland and don’t understand why the rest of the country is being punished as well as them.

@WhoKnowsWhatsAroundTheCorner

It still doesn’t make sense. Aberdeen was subject to a localised lockdown. Same could have been done in Glasgow no matter how big a city it is. Problem is Glasgwegians thinks they are Scotland and don’t understand why the rest of the country is being punished as well as them.

Well it could have been, but it wasn’t, so we are where we are. Whining about it isn’t going to change anything.

No idea what your last para means.

@MadameBlobby, I sympathize with most of what you are saying. Two friends of mine have restaurants and they are probably ready to kill themselves at the idea of hospitality closing down (which, I fear, WILL happen soon).
However, one passage is telling:
Stomping feet and whining and “it’s not faaaaiiir” isn’t going to help bring this to an end sooner. It’s shit for everyone.
This is the biggest misconception you've been sold. No matter how careful you are, this will NOT end. You can drive the numbers to zero, but that will make NO difference in the long term.

I’m glad to see more people feeling like I do now. I have felt lonely and mad for months. First lockdown was a joke. All it did was keep numbers low until flu season.

I’m no scientist not politician so clearly dumb and still can’t understand any logic in any of it.

I don’t know anyone personally who supports it now or indeed her but I’m in Edinburgh

[quote Arkadia]@MadameBlobby, I sympathize with most of what you are saying. Two friends of mine have restaurants and they are probably ready to kill themselves at the idea of hospitality closing down (which, I fear, WILL happen soon).
However, one passage is telling:
Stomping feet and whining and “it’s not faaaaiiir” isn’t going to help bring this to an end sooner. It’s shit for everyone.
This is the biggest misconception you've been sold. No matter how careful you are, this will NOT end. You can drive the numbers to zero, but that will make NO difference in the long term.[/quote]
No I know that thanks. I haven’t been missold or misunderstood anything. The point I was trying to make is whining about it isn’t going to solve anything

Agree re: whining, but if the rules are perceived as unjust or unreasonable there is a problem withe SG communication strategy.
However, my point still stands. These measures - which represents a mere level 1 on the restriction scale - will have to be in place till next May, i.e. at least 7 months from now, unless she sees the light and changes strategy (fat chance of that, especially with the local elections becoming up).

I’m not whining. Thanks for that. I’m stating a fact

She is killing her youth vote, student's not allowed home, in pub, in clubs, in restaurants, social distancing on penalty of losing their degree place.

I predict 7 months from now all Tory voters will get a letter telling them to self isolate.

@cdtaylornats

I predict 7 months from now all Tory voters will get a letter telling them to self isolate.

Just after the closing date to apply for a postal vote?

@Oblomov20

I think it's ridiculous. You can go to the pub, but can't have a friend in your lounge. You can fly to Europe on holiday, and your dc are in a classroom with 30+ others, but you can't mix. Stupid.

It does sound illogical yes. But I guess it is like having a Risk Budget. You are spending most of it on keeping Schools and workplaces open So there is less left over to 'spend' on socialising or the risk shoots up

I think NS is doing a better job than BJ (not hard!) and comes across better (again not hard) but is by no means doing a perfect job

I understand restrictions are needed if it's starting to rip through unis (have a DD at one) but not to be able to go to what's meant to be a covid safe cafe or pub with your household, when local families are allowed doesn't seem fair. Even if it was limited to say them having to eat, so they don't drink too much. Not great for hospitality either, there are some that benefit greatly from having students in the area.

If she does loose her youth vote then that's extremely sad because in reality they're not being asked much.

Not being able to visit other homes doesn't just apply to Uni students it's the whole of Scotland.

They aren't being banned from pubs clubs etc, they've been asked to avoid them this weekend. ONE weekend to try and get on top of the spread is this difficult to do? Because really if it is then there are bigger problems here. Clubs aren't open yet so really they've been asked to avoid pubs and restaurants for three whole days!

I've read today people saying on twitter that their son/daughter and being held prisoner. I mean really? Get a grip! They've been asked to isolate for 14 days just like anyone anywhere in the uk who has been in contact with a positive case!

They don't have a different sense of entitlement just because they are a student or a young person!

I think it will affect the vote
Time will tell

I think you’re being insensitive. It’s a lot of students first time away from home. Not easy to get food deliveries etc. Some of them would have been home every weekend, it’s quite a lonely time. And you can’t get outside at all, just one room. That’s quite hard for 2 weeks. Today Sturgeon told students to stay away from hospitality for just this weekend then they will follow the same rules as the rest of us. Guessing that means hospitality will be shut next weekend?!

It’s a lot to ask of young people who’ve just left home and are suddenly learning to look after themselves. To say they cannot return home is unbelievable if they and their parents are happy to take the risk

I worry about the mental health of some of these students. Some will not like the group of people they are now living with, some will already have mental health issues - and this situation has suddenly been landed on them and their families.

The Scottish Government is not handling this crisis any better than anyone else, they are just better at presentation.

This thread is so depressing. I used to think, people are adults about this sort of thing, the reasoning should be explained so they understand and are more likely to go along with it. But threads like this are showing that this seems to spread even more confusion. Where did all these public health experts suddenly come from? You don't understand why the advice is being given? Maybe you're just not smart enough, maybe you don't have the time to learn enough to process it, who knows?! So many idiots, most of you just need to shut up and do what your betters tell you. I mean the conspiracy theories about why Aberdeen's lockdown was different to Glasgow's, pubs and all that, people trying to second guess different panels of independent senior experts saying the same things independently across the world, it's like little children trying to question engineers about how TVs work or telling themselves the big long thing attached to the steaming kettle is full of sweeties and mummy wants to hide the sweeties because she's an utter bastard who doesn't love me.

Oh yeah, then there is the I hate Sturgeon because she tries to do the right thing and makes herself accountable, I'd rather occasionally get fed ad lib shite by a bumbling half-wit philandering toff who hates Scottish people and cares about the working and middle classes of Britain the same way most of the rest us care about the cockroaches of Brazil.

If people can’t see there is a difference between 17 year olds in tiny rooms surrounded by strangers and proper adults in their own homes then I despair

@iquitelikenormalityafterall and@WhoKnowsWhatsAroundTheCorner

Let's be honest if they were heading home they'd be mixing most likely on public transport even if being collected by family and decided to stay in the family home the whole time what if they pass it on to their family, that family then goes shopping?

It's clear to see how it can spread, by doing it this way it is containing it.

We've all had a crap year, we've all had to do and miss out on a lot of things we wish we didn't. But hey it's a pandemic world wide I highly doubt one weekend not being allowed or correction advised to stay away from hospitality is really a big deal in the grand scale of things.

As for isolating for 14 days well I'm sure the millions of others who have had to have just had to accept it!

They chose to be independent and live out-with the family home. They have a roof over their head, heat water and there will be arrangements made to ensure they're being able to eat no one is going to starve.

I probably am coming across unsympathetic but I think people need to wake up and take on board that isolating and a missed weekend in a pub really isn't the worst thing in the world right now!

You do know that Mental Health issues aren’t on the rise in young people. Quite apart from the young people with Neurodevelopmental problems that are trying to live independently for the first time - but realistically will still need parental support

You are coming across as heartless and you’re speaking from a privileged position. I don’t think you understand the issues

I'm certainly not privileged far from it, and I'm well aware of mental health issues and neurodevelopmental issues I have two children with mental disabilities.

And I apologise if you think I'm being insensitive. What I'm trying to say is these kids or young adults have not been abandoned as the press would have you believe.

The adults you refer to will be known to the university welfare team and I'm quite sure that they will have 'extra' support. They will not be completely cut off they will have internet and telephone access.

I am truly blessed, I have to admit.
I have no children with learning difficulties or disabled in any way.
Also, I don't know any one who has died of Covid or indeed has caught it.
I must be in a minority of one, at least on this board.