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[Rae36]

I'm a bit sad about the change to only 2 households meeting up. For the past few weeks since the kids have been back at school I've met 2 friends once a week to eat lunch. We're all working from home, we just take an hour off in a Monday, bring our lunch and eat it together in someone's garden. It's been so nice. And now we can't any more.
And I think this is us for the winter, isn't it?

So guidelines have changed again since Friday?!

@rassy it's weird, I've looked at your link too and it also says from 15 September. Who knows!

I think so, my friends were (half) joking about designating our crossfit addict friend as our personal trainer and meeting in the park for sone exercise and a bit of a shouty chat.

"strong advice" from Friday was the same but AFAIK they didn't update the websites until it became official on Monday.

Your link now says 2 people in the exercise and leisure section. Maybe they just updated the website.

Anyone watching the FM briefing? They have a more accurate measure for Covid hospital patients that's taken the number from 266 to 48. That's 0.0009% of the population of Scotland in hospital with a positive Covid test. I cannot believe the measures in place for these numbers.

But the restrictions aren’t based on the current numbers in hospital. It’s watching for changes in the numbers increasing exponentially and trying to prevent numbers getting out of control again. Everything changed very quickly in March once it was spreading in the community and the hospital admissions went up very quickly. If we wait until there are lots of people in hospital before implementing restrictions then it will be too late

@aquamarine1

Anyone watching the FM briefing? They have a more accurate measure for Covid hospital patients that's taken the number from 266 to 48. That's 0.0009% of the population of Scotland in hospital with a positive Covid test. I cannot believe the measures in place for these numbers.

Sounds like manipulating the figures to me. Is this the 28 day rule, if you were diagnosed with Covid more than 4 weeks ago you've died or and in hospital with something else??

When were the numbers 'out of control'? No hospitals in Scotland were ever overwhelmed, indeed the SECC was never used. What did happen was other treatments were put on hold - chemo, radiotherapy, ophthalmology etc. For me, the mismanagement will cause more death and misery than the virus ever will.

Yes @Bikingbear the 28 day rule.

@Fololomolo

But the number of cases has been rising for 6-8 weeks now and there is no evidence that this has led to an increase in hospitalisations- this is a trend that has also been recorded in countries like Germany and Spain.

Let’s hope this continues and there will then be no reason for such restrictive measures to continue. 48 people in hospital out of 5.5 million is not sufficient justification to make it illegal to go for a walk with 2 friends or for 3 D.C. to play in the park together.

Jason Leitch trying to make 'funny' asides here re guising at Halloween. Wonder if the FM will have a word re his tone after this.

Can someone explain the change in numbers reporting as I missed that at the start of the briefing?

Hope Jason doesn't get chastised lol. I really like him. He's clear, concise and relatable and I think he's made a big difference to getting people on board and understanding what's going on.

@aquamarine1

Yes *@Bikingbear* the 28 day rule.

Right so people who've been ill with covid for weeks are no longer counted. That's just smudging the figures.

@Bikingbear not as far as I understand it. It sounds like people in wohh tv something else/contract Covid/ still in with something else.

At the risk of being accused of spamming - just catching up and literally just posted the following on another thread re hospital numbers discussion:

AFAIK the new definition is people who tested positive for Covid 2 weeks or less prior to hospital or subsequent to going into hospital up to 28 days.

This is different from a split between going into hospital with as opposed to because of Covid BUT is important as it demonstrates the impact of infection control measures to isolate them on hospitals and healthcare services.

So under the new lower definition there could still be people with a broken leg who happen to test positive for Covid and at the opposite end people who became unwell due to Covid over 28 days ago but who have not recovered.

(happy to be corrected if I have misunderstood)

For reference the Scottish hospital number is roughly in line with England on the same basis which makes sense given that infection rates are also very similar.

I’m a strict rule follower and we went on a self imposed lockdown before it became official, as my youngest us shielding, so it won’t affect me. I do think it’s important that we all do our best to protect the vulnerable and keep in mind that many young people can also be left with long term health problems as a result of COVID.

In saying that, I completely understand why people are so upsetting feel it’s using a sledge hammer approach. OP, you and your friends should take up hunting and shooting,(Not really, just say you are) as there’s no limit in the numbers of people you can mix with doing those murdering ‘sports’.Lovely to see the class system is still well in place.

keep in mind that many young people can also be left with long term health problems as a result of COVID.

This is the message that needs to get out there. The 20, 30 and 40 somethings who are suffering Long Covid and who have no idea when if they'll get better.

Does anyone have any data behind 'long Covid' v any other post-viral syndrome? Is long Covid worse? Is a greater percentage affected?

‘Long covid’ doesn’t exist. There are a very small number of people who suffer post-viral syndrome, but that is no different to any other virus.

It is nothing new.

Hospitals in Marsaille are nearly at the point where they can't take anymore patients in.

Ecosse it's completely different!!!! Yeah governments around the world decided they'd have to screw their economies due to an illness which isn't as bad as others we've seen and nothing new (!)

@Ecosse

‘Long covid’ doesn’t exist. There are a very small number of people who suffer post-viral syndrome, but that is no different to any other virus.

It is nothing new.

Yes to this.

Long covid does not exist? Really? I was ill with covid for a good three months, by which I mean really and properly ill with excruciating chest pain, a cough and shortness of breath, and fatigue, nausea and headaches. Around about fourteen weeks I started to feel better. I still have chest pain and shortness of breath, and dizziness now too, particularly when I am talking or walking uphill. I am prepared to agree that my symptoms now are post-viral but the first three months were absolutely not post-viral, or at least, unlike any virus I have ever had. My doctor has called it ‘long covid’ and there have been articles in the medical press about it, so yes, the medical profession seem to think it exists. Good grief

My DD who is 17 suffered from fatigue a lot worse than me. That may be post-viral but six months on, she is not fully recovered, so that is still not to be sniffed at.

Many viruses have long term effects. Covid is not unique in that.