Glasgow, East Renfrewshire and West Dumbartonshire restrictions

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-53989021

Also people can’t act as they normally would because clubs etc are shut. So if you go to the pub, and it’s time to go home, what’s likely to happen?! They all go back to somebody’s house for a drink! Same with not being able to meet more than 3 friends in a restaurant etc... everyone will just meet in houses. Silliness

@iquitelikenormalityafterall

Also people can’t act as they normally would because clubs etc are shut. So if you go to the pub, and it’s time to go home, what’s likely to happen?! They all go back to somebody’s house for a drink! Same with not being able to meet more than 3 friends in a restaurant etc... everyone will just meet in houses. Silliness

Its not really silliness.

Rules have been put in place for a reason. If we behave as normal the virus will spread out of control.

If we socially distance, limit our contacts and follow the guidelines then the virus will still exist but not be as prevalent in the community.

The rules in place are not the problem. Its the idiots who think they know better and 'I'm alright Jack to hell with everyone else' that are the problem.

A few are on this thread...........

@iquitelikenormalityafterall

Also people can’t act as they normally would because clubs etc are shut. So if you go to the pub, and it’s time to go home, what’s likely to happen?! They all go back to somebody’s house for a drink! Same with not being able to meet more than 3 friends in a restaurant etc... everyone will just meet in houses. Silliness

It's not silliness though is it, given that tracing shows that the virus is primarily spreading in homes.

Honestly, I give up!

Well despite someone saying that it's folk who don't support our current government that aren't following the rules, I pretty much am but I don't really find it that difficult. I live in an area with only a tiny amount of cases so it does seem ott, but whatever...

I have had a friend in my car for a lift, no idea whether that's allowed or not, but I risk assessed.

If I was in one if the areas affected here, I'd not say no if someone (like my mum if she was alive) wanted to pop round for an hour. I wouldn't be having large gatherings though, but then I wouldn't have been doing that anyway.

I guess what they are trying to do is make it more black and white. "No-one is allowed in" is easier for people to understand than stretching the rules a wee bit at a time. The knobs having 100 folk will not care regardless.

Measures taken in different areas might be different due to different local behaviours and therefore potentially need a different solution.

We do need to learn to live with this though and teach people to risk assess based on factual information being made generally available. I think folk at greater risk are mainly aware who they are and know what they need to do to protect themselves.

But by creating rules like this the people that would have met in one place will meet in another is all I’m saying. And calling people idiots all the time is going to make them less likely to come forward when they have symptoms, so it encourages spread in a different way.

What do you think might work better then? Genuine question, not being snarky at all. Some rules do need to be applied, so what's the best way for it to work then, given than some people are just never going to comply?

I’m skeptical that the light touch restrictions in Glasgow will have the desired effect, partly because a lot of people are so fed up now that they’ll carry on regardless and partly because there are plenty of other venues still open.

I do note the contrast with Aberdeen where they went in very hard (5 mile travel restrictions and cafes etc. also shut for what was described as pub-based spread) and have to wonder what’s changed. The cynic in me thinks there might be a political element, but I also wonder if there’s just more of an acceptance now that we can’t just keep everything shut indefinitely while chasing down every last COVID19 case. Personally, I hope that there has been a change in mind set - I think it’s becoming increasingly obvious that the ‘zero COVID’ experiment has failed, we are never going to be able to achieve that while retaining any semblance of society. The virus is clearly not going anywhere, isn’t harmful to most, and we’ve already done such enormous damage trying to eliminate it - there comes a point where you’ve just got to say that we have to balance the harms and learn to live with it.

Being more supportive of people with symptoms getting a test, not making them feel like they are responsible and it’s their own fault for not following the rules, making testing easily accessible and fast, (hopefully this 20 minute test will work out) and giving areas with lower prevalence a bit of slack with regards to letting more people meet up in bars/houses/ cafes etc and work in the office. It feels like we will never get out of this otherwise. Also let us know what criteria needs to be met for a local lockdown, instead of keeping us in the dark. Living with uncertainty all the time is not good for anyone.

@SockYarn and @WaxOnFeckOff you misunderstand me. I don't think any of the parties have handled this well. Their risk assessments are nonsense and their policies inconsistent. I have letters from every party supporting the SNP's view on schools, restrictions, etc.

What I'm tired of, is trying to have a discussion about anything in Scotland and half the thread is the same posters taking potshots at the SNP. I could write a list of posters who don't want independence and think the SNP are rubbish. They're incapable of applying their critical judgement towards other parties - but that's their prerogative.
But this section was supposed to be so we could discuss issues that affected Scotland. And they'd rather make it impossible to discuss anything than have a thread about Scotland that doesn't benefit from their ahem 'wisdom' highly partisan view on the SNP.
There are lots of threads on the main section of MN that manage to discuss issues without falling into party politics. Scotsnet should be able to manage the same. And it's the same posters time and again, doing their damnedest to make sure it's impossible. They add nothing of value.

I'm probably on your list. Funnily I've not come across you before though, name change?

I am often highly critical of the SNP and it's really impossible to discuss anything without politics coming into it as the main things that affect us and that we want to discuss come under Holyrood rather than westminster. As it's basically a split of SNP for half the country and everyone else for the other half, it's inevitable that someone makes a comment and then the other side respond. I don't think it's always the anti SNP folk that throw dwn the guantlet either.

We could equally just be arguing about the government rather than the SNP particularly, but the SNP are the government and the one that affects most of our day to day enviroment. e.g. education, health, tax., law etc etc. so it's easy for folk to use SNP rather than e.g. Scottish Parliament etc in the same way that folk just shout about Boris or the Tories.

In your post you've still managed to diss the opinion of those who don't buy into the SNP and I don't think that they are inacable of judging the other parties either, in fact I don't think it's generally obvious who they do support as they don't generally go about trying to preach conversion. I've said before that in general , if someone votes other than SNP i generally have no idea who they support, but if they are SNP supporters, they feel the need to share this continuously and post and share lots of stuff to support their view. You never see anyone else doing that. And I repeat again, the SNP are the government in charge making all the decisions here so if they aren't facing constant critisism then something isn't right.

As a Scot looking in from the outside. Not just here, but also the press and other social media I've got to say I am horrified by what I see.

Whatever happened to critical thinking and questioning the government?

It really is not good that many Scots are being silenced if they disagree with any SNP policies.

I can't be arsed with the folks calling her 'Wee Nippy'. But i am really concerned that there is no opposition to her or her party and any dissenting voices are shouted down.

Yy I've name-changed regularly since the errant intern. I don't think you do try to derail every thread on Scotsnet with an anti-SNP rant . You've obviously missed a lot of threads if you don't think some posters do.
It's blatantly obvious that the rest of MN can have discussions about schools, Covid, restrictions and local lockdowns without resorting to party politics on every thread .

As someone recently arrived from England into Scotland the SNP look so good by comparison to the Westminster lot... not that that's exactly hard!

Ed Davey and Kier Starmer need to get organised, get some competent campaign advisers into Scotland and find some clue about what is considered relevant rather than staying in a London bubble. Corbin's labour seemed clueless on rural and not London issues (used to live in rural England).

There needs to be a coherent opposition to the SNP, but you can't blame the SNP for their opposition failing to make sense in their opposition.

SNP has the advantage of being fully focussed on Scotland but surely there's enough people in Labour/the Conservative Party to actually focus on Scotland, have a visible leader who is supported by the Westminster leaders (rather than side lined) and not blunder around making the SNP look good!

Yy I've name-changed regularly since the errant intern. I don't know anything about this, clearly missed something.

See, I wouldn't say any thread is particularly derailed, they are organic and folk drift onto to other stuff. I can appreciate that folk get annoyed but again you are laying the blame at anti SNP folk and I don't think it's always the case that that is what starts the derail imo. It might just be what you notice?

What I notice is that a lot of supporters lay something down as fact but never back it up or certainly never from any independant source and non supporters get frustrated at the "facts" claimed and then end up on a rant. Not great admittedly and I'm sure my view of what I see is equally skewed as anyone elses.

I think debate is healthy but I am guilty of getting overly invested so have to step away sometimes - sometimes not soon enough...

The writing things as 'facts' is what gets me involved too WaxOn and like you said, I should also just leave it as no point really.. it just gets to me.

Time and time again, just like yesterday, it's people writing anti NS things which have nothing to do with reality ( she's put a lockdown in Glasgow to detract from the exam results issues etc).

The opposition's problem is they just run with ' we'll stop another Scotland becoming independent. '

We do teach children to analyse political parties and the Tory leaflet mentioned the FM 35 times with no policies on education.

The Labour leaflet was factually incorrect as it said unqualified people with no degrees are teaching in Scotland. I did wonder why is that allowed? Did they just copy and paste bits from England as this happens there...?!

Anyway, 100 per cent agree Scotland needs decent opposition. At the moment it's just individuals biding their time until they h
get their seat in the lords.

For an opposition to be effective they actually need to care about the country they've been elected in ( or not as the case will be with Douglas Ross).

@Scotslassie1, is Morey not in Scotland?
Is Scotland not in the United Kingdom?

@Scotslassie1

The writing things as 'facts' is what gets me involved too WaxOn and like you said, I should also just leave it as no point really.. it just gets to me.

Time and time again, just like yesterday, it's people writing anti NS things which have nothing to do with reality ( she's put a lockdown in Glasgow to detract from the exam results issues etc).

The opposition's problem is they just run with ' we'll stop another Scotland becoming independent. '

We do teach children to analyse political parties and the Tory leaflet mentioned the FM 35 times with no policies on education.

The Labour leaflet was factually incorrect as it said unqualified people with no degrees are teaching in Scotland. I did wonder why is that allowed? Did they just copy and paste bits from England as this happens there...?!

Anyway, 100 per cent agree Scotland needs decent opposition. At the moment it's just individuals biding their time until they h
get their seat in the lords.

For an opposition to be effective they actually need to care about the country they've been elected in ( or not as the case will be with Douglas Ross).

The dislike for NS is really visceral isn't it? She's disliked the way Hilary Clinton was in 2016. Essentially she's a woman so she's 'nippy' (which I fucking HATE), power-mad, a control freak, etc.

My FIL was slagging her off the other day because she wears nice clothes - wonder how much that dress is costing us? Right, because Boris wears Primark?!

It's misogyny. And it makes people sound so thick. They can't listen to one sentence without screaming 'she's obsessed with independence', when in reality they never shut up about it.

Moray is in Scotland and we are part of the UK, yes.

Yes IncludeWomen. It is constant. 😪

@Timeforanotherusername

As a Scot looking in from the outside. Not just here, but also the press and other social media I've got to say I am horrified by what I see.

Whatever happened to critical thinking and questioning the government?

It really is not good that many Scots are being silenced if they disagree with any SNP policies.

I can't be arsed with the folks calling her 'Wee Nippy'. But i am really concerned that there is no opposition to her or her party and any dissenting voices are shouted down.

This sums it up for me.

It's not really about SNP policies generally though. It's vehement opposition to anything they say because, well, because 🤷🏻‍♀️

Governments in every single nation in the world are having to make similar decisions to ours, but seemingly ours only take decisions based on hatred of English people.

To me it's emblematic of this sort of trend of being ill-informed and proud of it. I'm not listening to anyone who gives out guidance or advice, I make decisions for myself! Well, that's fine until your selfish decisions affect lots of people around you.

he dislike for NS is really visceral isn't it? She's disliked the way Hilary Clinton was in 2016. Essentially she's a woman so she's 'nippy' (which I fucking HATE), power-mad, a control freak, etc.

To be fair, I dislike Alex Salmond just as much. Perhaps more.

I really, really dislike Boris Johnson. And the rest of the UK cabinet.

So do I, they're corrupt immoral cunts to a man.

Doesn't mean I think having a house party is somehow giving them the finger

My point is that people don’t necessarily dislike NS through misogyny. And as she is in government it’s not unreasonable to have views on her policies.