Glasgow, East Renfrewshire and West Dumbartonshire restrictions

[Ginger1982]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-53989021

Well, Bannatyne's and xrcise 4 less (or whatever they are called) opened on the 31st on the dot while all the council buildings and facilities are still shut.

@Arkadia

Well, Bannatyne's and xrcise 4 less (or whatever they are called) opened on the 31st on the dot while all the council buildings and facilities are still shut.

Yep. And it shouldnt be the case, there’s no reason for that. Especially given the importance of fitness to public health. I’ve had to join a private gym and don’t think I’ll ever go back to the council ones.

The same happened with shops and restaurants adapting . And pubs doing takeaways or becoming local emergency shops! It’s a driver if you need the money.

Is this Duncan Bannatyne who said he would never open a business in Scotland ever again??

I see being able to charge customers again has changed his mind!

He said that if he couldn't reopen by the end of August.
Anyway, the main point is that private facilities re-open as soon as it is possible (with the exception of cinemas... it took for ever for my cineworld to reopen)

So, not quite back to square one, but not far off.
Not that my life is going to change at all, but one wonders whether the SG gas ANY idea in what direction they are having us travel.
So, zeroCovid is in the past, and good riddance! We had a stricter lockdown than England, but now we have similar if not more infections, so what was the point of all that? As the numbers will keep creep up, what next? What will happen as soon as there is an uptick in hospital admissions (about which NS has lied as up to now as there is nothing, except background noise variations)? And what happened to the revised hospital numbers we were promised last week?
I am sure our very prompt and on the ball journalists will keep pressing the FM during the daily PBB on these points.

I think they are all stumbling around in the dark tbh; I read and Chris Whitty apparently cited Belgium flattening their second wave by reverting back to stricter lockdown but then I also heard Sweden are doing better and are proclaiming success with their no lockdown herd immunity?! And I’m none the wiser!

Clearly the summer policy has been a failure (and I have no problem with that as we are indeed stumbling in the dark). Let's start by acknowledging that so we can move forward with a different tactic.
Without change in objective we will all be back in lockdown within weeks, no matter how many orgies people organize.
I just hope.there will be time to get the first communion done.

Kind of want to organise an orgy now Arkadia

I agree, it does feel like a complete absence of a plan on both sides of the Border but also across most other places. However I do think there will either be a spiral over the winter or there won't whatever anyone does. After that it will be a race to see which politicians can create the most distance between themselves and the current predicament as possible.

In among that the US election will doubtless play a part as will Brexit and Holyrood 2021. Politicians seem only to do politics as opposed to public health, economics or anything else these days.

"The first minister insists elimination is still the objective, before highlighting how important transparency and enforcement is in meeting the challenges of social unrest."

(From the BBC website)
This is the kind of message that is unhelpful, to say the least. You tried elimination and it didn't work and what you do? You keep beating the same dead horse.
She goes on about transparency and we still don't have the REAL hospital figures that were promised last week.

Christ, elimination isn’t fucking possible.

It's ludicrous- 7 people in ICU out of 5 million (possibly not even because of covid) and it's now illegal to have 2 friends over to your garden from different households!

Sturgeon needs to come up with a realistic plan that allows us to live with the virus taking into account COVID, the economy and other health issues including mental health.

Instead she seems to be trying to emulate Jacinda Ardern knowing that she isn't the one paying for the consequences.

I feel sorry for young people the most- many starting uni this month in difficult circumstances as it is. Now they can't even meet 2 friends from their course for coffee without breaking the law! All for a virus that poses them (and virtually everyone else with no health conditions) no threat.

It’s utterly disproportionate. I will be writing to my MSP. There’s no need for this. You can’t even meet a couple of friends for a walk under these rules. How is that “stopping transmission“?! The uncertainty is really bringing me down. Enough already.

I think the issue is Sturgeon and Devi Sridhar going for an isolation strategy that will never work. 12 cases in NHS Lothian out of nearly a million people (1.2 cases per 100,000) and it will be illegal to meet two friends in Costa.

It is total madness.

No soft play yet either. It's such a kick in the teeth for the (often small, independent) companies that run them. Loads of them have put the required extra measures in place for next week, and have been taking bookings, just for her to pull out the rug out from under them again.

when will the face masks in pubs and restaurants be introduced? Is it from today?

This encourages people to meet inside, really. Can’t go out with friends so just come round to the house. It’s utter madness.

Yep, still to read the detail but I'm back to being unable to go for a walk with 2 friends as that counts as 3 households?

It's bonkers. People have had enough, we aren't "protecting the NHS" anymore. We know that we need to be careful and protect the vulnerable. People in hospital with covid (as opposed to people in hospital becasue of covid) have been stable for months, there have been a few deaths of people with covid which is obviously sad, but we don't know they died because of covid do we? This is out of 5 million people. And we don't actually know, when we adjust the figures for bias, whether numbers are actually going up...

It’s absolutely fucking ridiculous. I’ve been going for walks every week with two other friends with young children and it’s been such a lifeline for me. And now we cannot walk with our buggies around the massive fucking park? Sure.

Yep, I get out of bed and work from home all day by myself. I do have DH and adult DS at home for company in the evening, but being able to get a walk for an hour a couple of times a week with my friends is really the highlight of my week. It's not just about the walk, it's the walk plus some chit chat and laughs that you really only get face to face. Now I'm supposed to choose between them, go on my own or with DH or DS?

Just go on a walk with your friends. You know it’s low risk. It’s gone too far.

Yep, agree, I will be going regardless but theoretically we could be stopped and fined - will need to skulk about somewhere like we are 10 and playing hide and seek.

I do appreciate that some people are scared and I wouldn't do anything to endanger anyone, but fuck me where is the common sense here?

Theoretically 3 friends walking home from school together would now be breaking the law having sat right next to each other in a class of 30 all day!

This is a ridiculous imposition on people’s lives that should only be imposed when absolutely necessary- not when there are 7 people with positive tests in ICU(not all of whom because of COVID).

Who’d have thought this time last year that it would now be illegal for 3 teenagers to play football in a park together?

Live opposite the secondary school and thought this very thing earlier Ecosse. Then I wandered past them all to catch my youngest en route with all her primary school classmates. The new rules mean I will likely breach the rules every single day by saying a cheery hello on the way past all the other primary school parents doing pickups and drop offs.

Mind you, as I live in a block of a dozen or so flats with a communal garden, I can actually breach the rules just taking the bins out.

Just been reading a thread about false positives and how this affects the stats when we are testing people with no symptoms - here if you fancy a read:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4019922-to-explain-why-testing-lots-of-asymptomatic-people-everyday-is-a-bad-idea

Mind you, as I live in a block of a dozen or so flats with a communal garden, I can actually breach the rules just taking the bins out.

Think we will be heading to wearing masks whenever outdoors now. I could walk down the street and attempt to social distance from people that are walking at the same time as me but I cant do the same as an arranged thing.