Glasgow, East Renfrewshire and West Dumbartonshire restrictions

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-53989021

Yip. Its classification was changed to to testing. It's similar to asbestos so far, I believe- likely to have life long problems despite appearing to be ok once first gets into your lungs.
Also NS said smaller groups/ families are also spreading it hence the restrictions oh and police have been given more powers.

[quote PapsofJura]@SockYarn couldn’t agree more. Why has the majority to suffer because of the actions of the minority?

Why aren’t we imposing severe fines on everyone hosting and attending these parties which were already above what is permissible?

For me this won’t be any real hardship as I haven’t had anyone really in or been in anyone’s anyway but some people will be hit hard.[/quote]
I know this isn’t logical and no doubt someone will be along soon to patronise me and tell me I’m wrong but it’s starting to feel like what’s the fucking point. Do everything right and still it’s not enough while the people who don’t care and haven’t followed any rules carry on as normal.

I appreciate it’s a virus and it’s unpredictable and despite not liking NS I think she’s doing her best but ffs. It’s just never ending and seems to be getting worse not better. Wtf is the fucking point. Just had to tell my kids who also haven’t broken a single rule that they can’t go to their wee pals’ houses any more (despite the fact they can hang out with them in school) and their poor wee forlorn faces made me feel sad. And yet I know and they know that there will be kids still going to everyone’s houses. It’s a total pile of shite.

@Scotslassie1

Yip. Its classification was changed to to testing. It's similar to asbestos so far, I believe- likely to have life long problems despite appearing to be ok once first gets into your lungs. Also NS said smaller groups/ families are also spreading it hence the restrictions oh and police have been given more powers.

It’s not similar to asbestos, that’s simply not true. Pure scaremongering.

A lot of the supposed consequences have been discredited too. All viruses carry a risk of post viral complications.

None of it is fair. It's all incredibly unfair.

And I honestly don't think a single person is unaffected by the unfairness of it. The Care Home deaths, to me, was barbarically unfair.

We can't visit MIL who had to be taken to hospital by ambulance. She's basically lost her mind, probably in part as a result of being on her own. And I mean, totally lost her mind. Psychotic.

But taking a 'fuck it, I'm just giving up' stance honestly doesn't make anything any fairer. It could actually make things a whole lot worse.

I feel quite desperate for people to pull together so we can cling to the tiny bit of normality we have. It's down to the public whether we backslide into another lockdown. If that happens, my MIL will probably die before we see her.

I feel quite desperate for people to pull together so we can cling to the tiny bit of normality we have

But when you do all that and still there’s no sign of things getting any better you do start to wonder what the hell is the point. What are we actually doing it for if no one cares anyway?!

I don’t want to go on holiday, to parties, out to bars and restaurants, to socialise in people’s houses, I just want to earn a living, have my kids at school and see my parents. But nope, despite doing everything right for months, that’s still too much to ask.

Before anyone shouts, I have been following what I am supposed to. I believe i've already had it and may or may not be immune - no tests available to me at the time.

I know we are seeing increases in numbers, but the geek in me doesn't have enough info. Are these numbers higher because of testing due to track and trace? i.e. testing people more likely to have it but who would otherwise never appear on any stats as they are symptom free? Maybe our numbers aren't higher, maybe transmission is actually lower nationally and we just don't know it due to lack of testing previously. Certainly the numbers in hospital who test positive is roughly the same, and very few covid related deaths. So, to me the numbers and prevalence in society could be exactly the same as it was when there were much lower identified cases. Presumably most of those people were tested because they had symptoms.

So essentially although bams will be bams, we are increasing restrictions on people who are most likely just trying to live their lives and preserve mental health of themselves and others?

I'd like more independant info.

It is shite. I feels like we're being punished for sticking to the guidelines whilst the bams are giving it yeeha out in a party.
I don't know the answer.

Inverclyde was hammered in the first spike and is looking quite unscathed at the moment. Wonder why and if that will last.

so approx now 20% of the scottish population are not allowed to visit their loved ones at home

With the threat of her closing hospitality next week

Wtf does the scottish govt think is going to happen to peoples mental health

Enough is enough... there is more to life than being alive ...

Spikes can happen anywhere and quickly. Grantown on Spey had 30 plus cases and it's a small town up North. Just depends I guess.

@frasersmummy

so approx now 20% of the scottish population are not allowed to visit their loved ones at home

With the threat of her closing hospitality next week

Wtf does the scottish govt think is going to happen to peoples mental health

Enough is enough... there is more to life than being alive ...

It’s terrible.

What’s she said about hospitality, please? Haven’t seen that.

That it’s going to be kept under review. So that will be my husband on furlough again. At least that’s still available just now. Can’t wait for her to start closing down people’s works when there’s no financial support.

Aaargh! I’ve just looked. This just isn’t sustainable and I can’t cope with more of it.

I don't know what can be done about hospitality. They CAN'T close pubs and restaurants again without massive impact to the economy. But social media is full of folk frothing about closing pubs. Do they not understand that it's people's livelihoods? I'm glad it's not my decision to make.

@waitforitwaitforit

I don't know what can be done about hospitality. They CAN'T close pubs and restaurants again without massive impact to the economy. But social media is full of folk frothing about closing pubs. Do they not understand that it's people's livelihoods? I'm glad it's not my decision to make.

It’s so annoying, people going on about how pubs and restaurants are “non essential”. Usually middle class MNers who are happy to keep locked down and cosily WFH. They’re not “non essential” to the people who work in them or their families. Or indeed to the wider economy.

Government shouldn’t be done by bowing to social media frothing.

And she’s said that it’s not spreading in the pubs 🤷🏻‍♀️

I think its obvious as people interact more it will spread and each time queen nicola says right stop being around people it stops spreading

But what can we do .. we cant go on hiding from this for years and before anyone says its not years its been 6 months ..

Is there any evidence its not going to be years.. there is no sign of the scottish government letting us live a normal life anytime in the next few months

This is just a joke now - thank god England have opened up again so my husband can actually work. We have family coming to stay for a fortnight next week and they'll be coming regardless of these new rules.

I honestly think history will show this as one of the most damaging socio-economic strategies ever to have been deployed by a government.

For anyone still saying NS is doing a marvellous job, she's overseen one of the worst Covid death rates on earth - and the crash here will be one of the worst too.

18:41SockYarn
But we are controlling it! Have you seen how few hospital admissions there are? People know what to do to avoid getting it, and to avoid passing it on.

It's going to be interesting to see whether there's a spike in hospital admissions in 2-3 weeks. Younger people who have tested positive in the last few days/week potentially have already mixed with more vulnerable close contacts/older relatives prior to being tested.
I hope not, but we'll see.

Hospital levels have been largely static for a long time, and remember this isn't people necessarily in hospital because of covid, it's people in hospital with covid, many of which are in for other reasons and just happen to be positive. A lot of hospitals no longer even have covid wards. There have been quite a lot of clusters, some many weeks ago, but those don't seem to have resulted in increased hospital admissions or deaths.

Hopefully not WaxOn
Just because of the rapidly increasing numbers of young people testing positive you have to wonder what the fall out might be.
Maybe the increased number of cases is simply down to increased testing though and the numbers were always higher. Who knows?
I just feel as though I'm holding my breath to see what happens next.

@WaxOnFeckOff, of course we don't know. We don't have anything to compare today's situation to.
We just don't k is how many people were infected the day we went on lockdown. it is not at a unlikely that it would have been in the 10s if not 100s of thousands. We just do NOT know. To compare the number of positives today to the ones in May (as the BBC did yesterday) is meaningless and there is nothing to be concluded from it.

yep Arkadia - that's what I've been saying. for all we know numbers are going down not up - we actually don't know. What we do know is that they have been testing hospital admissions for many weeks and tracking deaths for months, covid deaths are rare now and hospital infected levels are pretty static, so the logic says that what we have now is a consistent level of infections or the nature of the infection has changed.

Sooo, what we don't know is if any of that is actually considered or not.

I mean we are all just normal bods on here, I don't think any of us are scientists dealing with pandemics, so if we think of this things, presumably the people who are actually properly clever have also assessed that? That's what I want to know about. I'm not particularly interested in the fact that Boaby took 20 pals home from the pub and had a knees up unless that is actually identified as creating extra spread and extra admissions and extra deaths.

The UK government scientists sound very nervous. I got the impression from them that they want further / stricter restrictions reintroduced. When students return later this month, we will start to see even more of an increase in cases.

My doctor yesterday confirmed I am at higher risk of getting Covid due to my disabilities and health conditions. I am not in the government's vulnerable or highly vulnerable categories but I am still at higher risk. GP is encouraging me to continue working from home "Until there is a vaccine" was his exact words. Will my employer allow that? hmmm.

It was quite hard to get tested the past couple of weeks. I think the track and trace hasn’t been coping as well as they are saying. We waited a long time for results the other week, having to stay in and isolate for a negative test, a lot of people just won’t bother staying in. Maybe that’s got something to do with numbers going up?