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Is Nicola Sturgeon being too cautious now

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frasersmummy · 29/07/2020 13:07

Listening to her briefing it sounds like there will be no easing of restrictions until the schools are back and settled

With infections at such a low rate should we not be getting back to something closer to normal?

People are losing their jobs every day and she doesnt seem bothered

What does everyone else think?

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LoopyGremlin · 30/07/2020 14:53

The issue with swimming pools is the changing facilities. Well, there’s an easy solution to that- come wearing your swim suit with a dry robe over the top and go home wearing the same. Job done! How swimming is seen as less risky than drinking in a pub with a group of pals is beyond me.

dementedma · 30/07/2020 14:57

this is fucking insanity in Scotland now. We have about 300 people suspected of being infectious with the R number below 1 and STILL hundreds of thousands of office workers are being told to work from home with all the isolation and family stress that causes for many. I hope our great leader will take responsibilities for the mental health issues that are building up in this neglected sector of the workforce.

Summer41 · 30/07/2020 15:06

Have you read the news? Look at the number of countries with increasing infection rates. A large part of Australia is back in lockdown, has been for weeks. Spain has a high number of infections (four months ago people were going on ski holidays, spreading the virus around the resorts and bringing it home. Four months on people have forgotten about that, are going on beach holidays and are spreading the virus around the resorts and bringing it home). There are parts of England that have an R number higher than 1. Nobody knows what is going to happen in winter.

Do you think everything is back to normal now? It isn't, the virus is still here, you can still get it, people will still die from it......

AudacityOfHope · 30/07/2020 15:09

@dementedma

this is fucking insanity in Scotland now. We have about 300 people suspected of being infectious with the R number below 1 and STILL hundreds of thousands of office workers are being told to work from home with all the isolation and family stress that causes for many. I hope our great leader will take responsibilities for the mental health issues that are building up in this neglected sector of the workforce.
This is the argument I don't get.

So, let's say 300 people have it. Let's say 20 of them work in large offices. Maybe each one of them gives it to...3 colleagues (conservatively). Those 3 people take it home and spread it to a handful of others, including their kids, who take it to school and give it to 20 kids and their teacher.

It is NOT about what's happening today, it's about mitigating what would come tomorrow.

Jodri · 30/07/2020 15:11

I often feel Scotland is in George Orwell’s 1984 (he also look unfavourablely on nationalism I believe) keeping the masses busy with beer and pornography (priority of opening pubs and change pornography with football).
Always having an enemy to blame things on; at the moment it’s Westminster which in many people’s eyes equates to England and if we are back in European Union they would need to do.
Never say anything against party line.

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frasersmummy · 30/07/2020 15:24

@audcityofhope

If the r number was above 1 then yes this could happen.. with the r number at 1 the number of people on average one person will infect is 1

The r number is currently below 1 though nicola sturgeon to say how far below so 1 person might not even infect 1 other person.

I have noticed she has gone very quiet on this subject .. after banging on about it for months

It seems she is changing the goalposts to keep up the fear and therefore be allowed to keep addressing the nation for political gain

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anon444877 · 30/07/2020 15:27

NS’s response to the ONS rebuke - it’s alright to make misleading claims by misrepresenting prevalence data for England because England should’ve had this data.

And you wonder why people are nervous of Scotland being independent with this approach to statistical integrity.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-53595877

AudacityOfHope · 30/07/2020 15:29

On average. Spikes and localised will be above that - like the ones this week in an Amazon warehouse and ... oh can't remember the other one now!

MarshaBradyo · 30/07/2020 15:29

What is still closed in Scotland? Compared to England

SengaStrawberry · 30/07/2020 15:35

@MarshaBradyo

What is still closed in Scotland? Compared to England
Swimming pools, gyms...maybe bingo halls?
Y0uCann0tBeSer10us · 30/07/2020 15:41

NS’s response to the ONS rebuke - it’s alright to make misleading claims by misrepresenting prevalence data for England because England should’ve had this data.

So if you can't find the data to do an analysis properly, just make something up (being sure to tweak the parameters to fit whatever narrative you want to promote), then (without mentioning any of these caveats) repeat the conclusions multiple times on TV to make sure its widely reported. Hmm

Then, when caught out, claim that it's not that big a deal really, and accuse the person challenging you on it of being "so blinded by bitter, partisan politics that they cannot welcome the fact that we have made such progress against a deadly virus.". The scary thing is there will be lots of people falling over themselves to defend this too.

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frasersmummy · 30/07/2020 15:45

The WFH order is very much still in place here compared to England

Its not good for my mental health to be stuck at home with no company for months on end. I want to go back to work

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MarshaBradyo · 30/07/2020 15:47

Frasers it’s up to each company here so not guaranteed, still quite a slow and measured return especially in London

AudacityOfHope · 30/07/2020 15:50

I think the interesting thing is how much a difference in style changes perceptions.

BJ is seen by many as bumbling, uncaring about people's lives, rejecting science in favour of facts convenient to his own priorities, shifty, and of shying away from having to face questions in public.

Simply by standing up every day and talking things through, NS has managed to inspire trust in a lot of people; her decisions haven't been very different from BJ's but they SEEM it, and that's the battle she's won. She seems confident, you know she's read what she's citing, she openly admits that she has got things wrong. And even if that's all papering over a shitload of cracks, the bigger picture is that she's managed to make people do what they need to do - and BJ, in a lot of instances, hasn't.

MarshaBradyo · 30/07/2020 15:59

If it’s only swimming pools and gyms then yes it’s minimal

(Thanks Senga)

AgentCooper · 30/07/2020 16:07

@frasersmummy

The WFH order is very much still in place here compared to England

Its not good for my mental health to be stuck at home with no company for months on end. I want to go back to work

@frasersmummy me too. I tried to wfh for a month but it was impossible with my 2 year old. Literally not enough hours in a day. DH could provide no relief because he’s the main breadwinner by some distance, full time as opposed to my part time. So I’ve been furloughed since late April and timing my solo toilet breaks around his fucking constant Zoom calls.

I am desperate to go back to the office. Physical distancing and hygiene measures would be easily achievable in my office. My mental health has been in the shitter, the worst since I had PND 2 years ago. Just want this year to be over.

britINscotland · 30/07/2020 16:08

No SNP voter but I'm glad that the WFH order is still in place, I just hope my public sector organisation continues to allow it. It's been great for me as a disabled person as it minimises risks and improves my mental wellbeing. I know it isn't for everyone but the future of work needs to have much more flexibility.

And I also agree with @AudacityOfHope that offices are perfect spreading criteria for covid, which then could get spread to your partner, their place of work, your kids, their school.....

My workplace is full of desks all crammed in. I cannot see how they can get all of us back to work and social distance. So it needs to be WFH or voluntary redundancies. I am very sure the latter will happen next year if we continue to see spikes.

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frasersmummy · 30/07/2020 16:09

Its also bowling alleys climbing centres indoor crazy golf, amusement arcades basically anything fun is still shut and with less than 300 infectious people in Scotland that to me seems ridiculous

Coupled with the fact I can't go to work in the uni yet I am just feeling like it's all too much and we need to get moving as a society

We need to live not just survive.. Life is too short to work from home all day and have nothing to do when not working except go to the pub

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rookiemere · 30/07/2020 16:14

@AudacityOfHope if only we'd known all that was needed was someone able to string a few coherent sentences together- they should have stuck with Theresa May.

MarshaBradyo · 30/07/2020 16:14

The best solution here is a mix. I’m wfh anyway but Dh goes in a couple of days a week. He was finding zoom calls mentally tiring, it’s too much screen, and going in is a good break.

AudacityOfHope · 30/07/2020 16:24

Be sarcastic all you like but NS just got judged one of the top five most eloquent leaders in the world and BJ, er, definitely didn't. Don't you think that leadership style has got something to do with how people feel about living the restricted lives we're being asked to?

On the substance of their decisions there doesn't appear to be a huge difference, so for me it's style that's inspired confidence and one and a lack of it in the other.

Y0uCann0tBeSer10us · 30/07/2020 16:39

@AudacityOfHope I actually agree with you that Nicola’s Sturgeon’s apparent appeal is largely style over substance. The approaches haven’t been that different overall (although obviously Scotland’s been slower) and we have similarly bad outcomes in terms of deaths (although somehow NS has convinced many we’re doing massively better and should be proud). She’s clearly the better communicator and could not only convince many in Scotland that black was white but could also inspire them to argue black was white until their last breath. There’s something very depressing about that.

WouldBeGood · 30/07/2020 16:42

I agree with style over substance.

I really think gyms and pools need to open, and sports allowed. My fitness has taken a massive dive and it must be widespread.

I also agree actual fun needs to be allowed.

britINscotland · 30/07/2020 16:58

Carlow has just resigned!!!

Why? What's happened? Is he sick? Been a bad boy? Or has he admitted he's just no good enough compared to Ruth at challenging Nicola?

britINscotland · 30/07/2020 17:01

"His statement says he has reached "a simple if painful conclusion", that he is not "the person best placed" to lead the positive argument for Scotland's place in the union and the party into 2021 elections"

Here come the nats saying he did it because the union is falling apart etc etc

Nah, he was just shit compared to Ruth.