To ask how Scottish Indyref1 NO voters are feeling about it today?

[StatisticallyChallenged]

I was just chatting with DH about the possibility of a second Indyref whilst watching the news and I wondered how those who voted no in 2014 are feeling now?

Cards on the table, for those who weren't on the Indyref threads, I was a strong no voter and campaigner last time. I work in financial services (have changed company since) and I had huge concerns about the impact on the economy of a No vote - all the issues around currency etc. I also found a lot of the campaign arguments very unconvincing and like we were being promised the moon which could never materialise.

I still feel that way about the last referendum. But I have to admit that watching the news today, seeing people proudly declaring they voted out because of immigrants...this isn't a country which currently reflects me. I still have massive concerns about the economy although it's a lot less clear cut given the likely turmoil over the next few years.

I'm well aware that an independent Scotland may have huge issues getting in to the EU btw, it's not so much about the EU membership but about feeling a bit less affinity with being 'British' today.

Not yet. We were all set to sell up but may rent for a bit and see what happens. Hard to know what to do though - its a home not an investment property and I think it would help DS settle.

Sorry, didn't mean to hijack thread

"I'm no tory lover but if a stern, credible person in a suit could step up now and tell us what's happening, that would be great."

Well they don't know either do they, they're either refusing to deal with the clean up or in hiding trying to work out what the fuck they do now.

True tabulah. It's chilling that odious farage is the only person attempting to comfort anyone. Fucking bizarre.

Hope you didn't mean me re knee jerk cedricsneer - I promise that whilst I'm feeling a bit emotionally charged about the result I'm not going to suddenly vote yes

That said I've just spoken to a strong unionist out voter who has just joined the snp! Hos girlfriend had a week to go until house sale completed and her buyer was french. He pulled out at 9am yesterday morning

Sorry strong unionist no voter, not out voter. Referendum fatigue

I was no and voted remain in EU. I think we would be silly to go for another indyref2 before waiting to see what happens with the Uks renegotiation with them and the rest of the world. We also need to wait and see what happens with the EU now there's chatter of other countries wanting their own referendum.

If the EU remains unchanged except us leaving. I think I'd rather be part of the eu than Britain.

Stat, how does he think another indyref or threat of one would stabilise house prices in Scotland? They are going to tank catastrophically.

My world would stop turning if you became a yes. How are you feeling about Scotland's economic prospects either way?

Plus I totally agree with those that say that Nicola and the SNP need to get on with the business of doing their job without their single issue agenda. Their track record so far is pretty shit.

Plus I totally agree with those that say that Nicola and the SNP need to get on with the business of doing their job without their single issue agenda. Their track record so far is pretty shit.

I was on here with Statistically and others, arguing for No, very strongly. (Different username). I am still No and voted Remain. I am feeling pretty sick at the thought of yet another referendum - more division, argument and discord.

I am a Unionist - British AND European. I think we really are Better Together as we can mitigate the worst excesses or each other by being part of a big team.

I am a teacher and used the online Mumsnet web chat during the Ind Ref to question Salmond about education which is quite frankly shit now. Has anyone even noticed that 85% of secondary teachers (EIS) are currently working to rule over the SQA and curriculum? The SNP have done nothing about this, never mind the other policy areas they have had sole charge of for years. So, really upset that they are back on independence again.

Have spent today looking at options for moving elsewhere. I have an MEd and have taught for 20 years so someone might want me. DH is a scientist and we do not want to live here any more because there is no peace.

I just want a peaceful life. This turmoil is awful.

Oh I've told him that - the flat was in London but same applies.

Right now I think it would be economic suicide and I'd be voting no- I'd just be very much voting with my head. I think we need to see what develops. My suspicion is that sturgeon might be trying to see if there is any sort of potential for a sort of inverse Greenland option where Scotland is in the EU in some form. If, and it's a gigantic if, that was able to happen then I think we'd get a situation where Scotland could flourish and we might end up independent in the longer term.

If, as is much more likely, we'd be out of the EU fully and then starting the application process fully with everything that goes with it- including the euro - then I think it would be as much of a disaster as I always feared it's just that we'd be leaving a union in turmoil whereas last time the uk waa relatively stable.

Who knows what the EU will look like in say 2- 5 years though. I think the uk vote could trigger others and it might end up as something less strict than it is now.

I was a huge NO voter and voted remain. I was massively against independence for the unanswered questions on our economy. And look what happened to the oil price afterwards! We'd be fucked if we have voted yes. That said I'm genuinely distraught at the EU referendum results so could be swayed if the right information presented itself to me.

If the currency question concerned people before, they are hardly likely to be won over now.

I'd expect Sturgeon to have a different answer to the currency issue this time around - she's basically admitted that they fucked that element of the campaign up (well yes love, you didn't have a bloody answer and tried to bullshit people, and got caught) and that they need a better proposal this time.

If I had to guess, I think they'd try for a scottish currency this time, especially if it's during a period where the pound is weak. People might not be so attached to it if it's worth naff all and we've had months/years of expensive imports and doom and gloom "the pound's collapsing" type news

Sunday Post reporting 59% Yes.

If that's the high water mark for Yes (and given the strength of feeling this weekend we can assume it is) then they are likely to lose a referendum once the oil and currency issues get re-run.

Right now the only issue is Europe. In the cold light of day, all the other issues of identity that people voted on before will resurface. And Scotland and Europe are both weaker now (although so is UK).

If Scotland joins the EU them it will have no choice but to use the Euro. Not that an inticing prospect

Can Scotland join the Euro? It's deficit is ~10% of its GDP. euro zone guidance is ~3%. There's no economic grounding. I just don't get this assumption Scotland can join or remain in the EU. I think, or hope, the EU will say they're willing to talk to annoy the the English but I think it will be just that. I just can't see how or why they'd accept Scotland and if they did I think it would require major concessions by Scotland. And then you're just ruled by Brussels rather than Westminster so what's the point?

Of course Europe will accept Scotland, no question. And then you're just ruled by Brussels rather than Westminster so what's the point? I could make a huge list.

Little England will have what it wants, independence, waving the St George's flag as it slowly sinks barking its importance and muttering about the glorious Empire....

Pearly why would it accept without question? what does it bring to the table now that it didn't 2 years ago? Because then they were told they wouldn't automatically get in...

Of course Europe will accept Scotland, no question.

Errr....really? I don't think so. The EU have hopefully learned their lesson...flexing their entrance requirements to suit themselves (Greece being the prime example) has caused them nothing but problems. As stated above - the only purposed served by accepting Scotland is petty revenge. I don't want to be part of that. Scotland joining the EU as an independent would require extensive austerity measures imposed by Brussels - something that yes voters can't seem to comprehend. Possibly because that is the line they are sold by Sturgeon and Salmond who have their own agenda.

I could make a huge list.

Go on then....

Go on then....

Scots ruled by Boris?

Little petty England?

Little petty England?

Are you serious? Almost half of England voted remain and I would say that a high proportion of those who voted leave did so for reasons that were not petty. There are lots of people in England who are terrified at the prospect of Boris.

Comments like that are extremely narrow-minded and reek of pot kettle black. Can't you see that?

So far not finding your huge list compelling

The Scottish referendum was divisive and a difficult time.

However I feel a little prouder of Scotland today and I would be mightily passed off if we are dragged out of the EU by an increasingly insular and right-wing England.

I voted No last time. I need the dust to settle and to look at facts. But right now, while emotions are high, the mood is independence.

I thought there'd be a lot of shouting from the YES faction but it's been quiet. I think Scotland is in shock and worn out.

We need time and I hope this will unite us once again, whatever happens.