To ask how Scottish Indyref1 NO voters are feeling about it today?

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I was just chatting with DH about the possibility of a second Indyref whilst watching the news and I wondered how those who voted no in 2014 are feeling now?

Cards on the table, for those who weren't on the Indyref threads, I was a strong no voter and campaigner last time. I work in financial services (have changed company since) and I had huge concerns about the impact on the economy of a No vote - all the issues around currency etc. I also found a lot of the campaign arguments very unconvincing and like we were being promised the moon which could never materialise.

I still feel that way about the last referendum. But I have to admit that watching the news today, seeing people proudly declaring they voted out because of immigrants...this isn't a country which currently reflects me. I still have massive concerns about the economy although it's a lot less clear cut given the likely turmoil over the next few years.

I'm well aware that an independent Scotland may have huge issues getting in to the EU btw, it's not so much about the EU membership but about feeling a bit less affinity with being 'British' today.

Does the vote even truly reflect the Scottish voice. Many of the Scottish side of my family voted remain even though totally anti Europe for Indy2 as they proudly display on Facebook with hundreds of likes.

I voted remain and NO. I would vote NO again on the grounds that SNP have yet to produce a feasible economic and fiscal plan for the survival of an Independent Scotland. Ideally, not one based on oil.....

Still No from me. I'm not totally against Independence but there are too many unanswered questions to convince me to vote Yes.

Ardent no voter in IndyRef1 and remain voter in EU Ref. I believe the two views are entirely compatible despite Sturgeons attempt to equate yes with remain. In event of IndyRef 2 I still would vote no as of today. Looking to the future however, goodness only knows what will happen with the EU.

Either it will implode and further members will leave in which case we are better off out anyway, or this will give them such a shake up that true reform will happen and make it the strong institution is should have been all along. I'd love to think the latter - in which case I'd be tempted to vote out, but realistically I just can't see reform ever happening. The UK's influence on EU was undeniably significant. UK can't influence outside of the EU and that is another reason I voted remain. Scotland as an independent member would have no influence.

Ideally we need to wait another 10 years to see how the land lies before the next IndyRef and we can make hopefully a more informed decision - I just worry that Sturgeon is chomping at the bit to get the glory and will call one quickly to play off the disappointment from the EU Ref.

Also - as an aside - if the EU were to accept Scotland in its current economic condition it would be mad...allowing countries to join when they didn't meet the entrance criteria has been a huge reason why the EU has struggled in the first place.

I've answered a few of these threads so sorry if I repeat myself.

Was no.

Was remain.

Still no. And pissed off at the prospect of indy2. The last one just about drove me to drugs.

I was a no voter and voted to remain. Most of the reasons why I voted I are still there, however one of the reasons I voted no was to avoid economic uncertainty. That is now happening whether I vote differently in a referendum or not so it's an entirely different question.

We don't know what either the UK or the EU will look like in the short term never mind the long term, so I think calling a snap referendum would be utterly foolish.

What would we be voting on? Just Scotland being independent or Scotland trying to remain part of the EU?

I think the EU will implode and we would be joining a sinking ship.

So in summary, I don't know how I would vote in a second referendum and can't understand how anyone can say for definite how they will vote at the moment as I will be voting for what would be best for my family and for Scotland and that is very unclear at the moment.

I voted No last time, and voted to remain in the EU.
I am utterly heartbroken that we will have another IndyRef, the thought of it makes me feel sick, as it's clear the result will be the destruction of the UK.

I think you might well be right about the eu imploding. In a way it might be better for the UK if that does happen but it's all rather depressing tbh

There were times after the Scottish referendum when I almost wished that the result had been different and the yessers could have seen that there was no scaremongering.

I guess we're seeing now, but it baffles me that those yessers in my FB feed posting about the pound and stock markets falling are completely unable to grasp that that's what would have happened if they got their way in the first referendum.

I was a yes, voted remain and am still a yes.

However, everyone who is saying that the SNP have manipulated the electorate into a second Indy ref is wrong (imo). I don't think Nicola wants a second referendum now - because there is far too much uncertainty at the moment and, as a pp said, Scotland is suffering massively from voter fatigue, which was part of the reason for the poor turnout. I don't think she necessarily does keep going on about independence, but she does get asked about it often, and so answers the questions.

celtic I really believe that Independence is such a key driver for Sturgeon that it is a complete and utter distraction from her actual job - which should be running the country. For all their time in power, I am yet to see any positive impact on health, education and public services in Scotland..in fact it has deteriorated - and yet - this gets no coverage in the media. I have no faith that if (once?) they achieve their goal that they will be capable of actually running the country. We are really suffering from a lack of strong opposition in Scotland - an independent Scotland under the power of the SNP, even if part of a reformed Europe, is a prospect that terrifies me.

I know a few people who voted for scottish independence, voted out of the eu and would vote no at the next independence referendum.

I would still be a no. The last thing we need now is more division.

None of the unaddressed economic issues have been addressed.

There is no guarantee an independent Scotland would be allowed in to the EU.Spain and Italy would block it.

If it were allowed on what terms?

And without the UK what is the future of the EU anyway?

I completely agree with you, baffled, about the lack of progress in education, health, etc, (I had joined the SNP, but left for that reason) and do feel that the SNP need a viable opposition. It's sad that Kezia and labour have limited any opposition to disagreeing with everything the SNP say, regardless of what they believe. But Nicola will not have another referendum unless she she is sure she can win. She'd be crazy to risk it.

The UK's influence on EU was undeniably significant. UK can't influence outside of the EU and that is another reason I voted remain. Scotland as an independent member would have no influence

I agree.I know very few people who voted for independence but at the moment all the talk I heard yesterday was it was a terrible decision on Thursday and will be made far worse if Sturgeon starts pushing for indyref2. I don't think many no voters will switch.

I don't think NS would risk another indyref without being 100% sure that there would be a yes majority (and remember, the UK government have to "allow" it ) but I do think that she will be talking to Europe to ascertain what options there are for Scotland in Europe.

I was yes in 2014, would be yes again

I voted No and Remain.

I'm not sure how I'd vote in a second indyref, but I have a feeling the majority would vote Yes. Not even necessarily so Scotland can join the EU - media mutterings are to be believed, Brexit might have a domino effect and who knows how the EU may look in a few years.

I more think that this referendum highlights the differences between Scotland and England/Wales, which I reckon will be enough to push the undecided over to the yes camp.

I more think that this referendum highlights the differences between Scotland and England/Wales, which I reckon will be enough to push the undecided over to the yes camp

I'm not so sure about differences. Over 1 million voters in Scotland voted to leave. Just over 15 million voters in England voted to leave and there was less than 2 million between leave and remain.

I would say the 1.6m in Scotland and the 13.2m in England have something in common.


I was very strongly No at the referendum and voted to Remain on Thursday. But if there is another independence referendum then I may very well vote Yes. Until recently I have always felt strongly British and truly believed that people north and south of the border wanted largely the same thing. However it's increasingly apparent that that isn't true and with the U.K. lurching more and more to the right I can't say I want to be part of that. And I now have to admit to myself that we have no voice at all when pitted against the greater population in England. I am still worried about the economics of it but I think the SNP will have learned valuable lessons from their loss in 2014 and will have answers this time that they didn't have last time.

I also don't think the referendum highlighted the differences. Scotland voted with 'the Westminister elite' - the very same people the last referendum told us we were different to.

OTOH, Scotland didn't vote with the post-industrial English and Welsh ex-mining/heavy industry communities that we're often told we have an affinity with.

Basically, the story is completely different when asked about Europe to when asked about the UK; but that doesn't mean the English/Welsh and Scots are different. Just that different single issues affect them differently.

More interesting in my view is that Scots have now voted twice for the status quo. I think they will continue to do so. We like stability.

Scotland voted the same way as London, Cardiff, and most of Belfast; the three other capitals in the four nations; the same way as the 'Northern powerhouse' cities of Manchester and Leeds as well as Liverpool and Newcastle upon Tyne; and the university cities of Oxford and Cambridge.

Lots of cities of the UK agreed with you, it doesn't feel like 'us and you' where I'm living.

No and remain. Would vote No again.

I hate the fact that NS is reopening the debate given all the uncertainty over what will happen. If she got on with governing Scotland and the SNP made a difference, then I would have more sympathy with another referendum. The SNP have achieved very little in Scotland since 2014 and another referendum will only distract from using the powers that are coming to them and trying to make things better for their constituents.

I voted no in indyref and remain in EU.
My biggest fear is an independent Scotland, in a weakened EU.
At least Scotland in a UK would have some protection i.e Bank Of England etc. The oil situation is a disaster.
Scotland's place in the EU is far from guaranteed - hopefully Nicola Sturgeon will realise this pretty quickly when she speaks with EU officials next week.
I'm very worried about the future for both Scotland and the UK now that we are leaving the EU. I don't want Boris Johnson as PM and I don't want to live in little Britain.

I voted yes last time and remain. Im really not sure what I will vote if (when) indyfef2 comes. It depends what happens in the coming months. But if they held it tomorrow I would be a yes.

I've always said I feel British not Scottish but in the last few days I have been shocked and appalled by what's been going on. Some of the opinions coming out of England are the complete opposite of everything my family, my friends and I believe in. I don't really want to be British anymore.

Strong clear no previously. Currently leaning the other way. I want nothing to do with Farage and Co