To ask how Scottish Indyref1 NO voters are feeling about it today?

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I was just chatting with DH about the possibility of a second Indyref whilst watching the news and I wondered how those who voted no in 2014 are feeling now?

Cards on the table, for those who weren't on the Indyref threads, I was a strong no voter and campaigner last time. I work in financial services (have changed company since) and I had huge concerns about the impact on the economy of a No vote - all the issues around currency etc. I also found a lot of the campaign arguments very unconvincing and like we were being promised the moon which could never materialise.

I still feel that way about the last referendum. But I have to admit that watching the news today, seeing people proudly declaring they voted out because of immigrants...this isn't a country which currently reflects me. I still have massive concerns about the economy although it's a lot less clear cut given the likely turmoil over the next few years.

I'm well aware that an independent Scotland may have huge issues getting in to the EU btw, it's not so much about the EU membership but about feeling a bit less affinity with being 'British' today.

Scotland will leave, no question.

Pearly, your tone of certainty is reassuring if misguided in a time of absolute chaos

Even Jim sillars has no hope of a yes vote until 2021. Fucking hate that man...

I don't think it is as clear as Pearly says. The economic position has worsened; there is no guarantee Scotland could join or would want to join the EU. The EU without the UK will not be the same as the EU with the UK.

"I would be mightily passed off if we are dragged out of the EU by an increasingly insular and right-wing England and Wales"

Fixed that for you.

I was a NO and am still a NO

DH was a YES and would now be a NO

He wanted independence. But now is scared that if scotland broke off from the uk they'd just snuggle up to the EU and take the euro which isn't true independence.

My BIL is the same. Voted YES the first time but now would be a NO if there was another referendum

Lets think. Boris or the Euro..... no contest. Besides, all the major financial institutions will relocate to Edinburgh. Boom time.

Plus I totally agree with those that say that Nicola and the SNP need to get on with the business of doing their job without their single issue agenda

I was at the Highland show on Friday on business . This was pretty much said by everyone I spoke to. I concede pretty much everyone I spoke was probably a no but I'm very unimpressed by Sturgeon's response . I'm sure they will be too.

pearlylum comments like "petty England" are disgraceful. Far from making me want to be a "petty Scotlander" I feel solidarity with the 48% who voted remain.

Scotland voted the same way as amongst others, London, Cardiff, Belfast, Manchester, York, Norwich , Winchester, Liverpool , Newcastle , Oxford, Cambridge,Bath,Bristol,Brighton.

Sheffield,Canterbury,Birmingham and Nottingham had less than 1% in it.

I don't think it's nearly that clear either, in terms of either EU entrance or a yes vote. There are, IMO, a lot of very pissed of people at the moment - myself included. BUT, that doesn't mean we've all taken leave of our senses or lost our ability to think critically - if anything having been through Indyref 1 and the great White Wish List, Brexit and all the huge lies which have been told and then seen the impact that a huge shock has had to the markets and the economy (and of course by the time and vote came around we'll have seen a lot more of this) we will probably be more cautious.

I think that even when we're this pissed off, if Sturgeon and co tried to campaign on a similar basis to last time they'd fall flat on their face. They're going to need much stronger and more convincing arguments, much clearer plans, defined answers on currency, and to generally be far more straight about the consequences because I think we're extremely bullshit weary.

They're also going to need to be much more factual about any possible EU membership - it might be that they're more able to hold discussions than they were in 2014 as London will have little influence on the EU to discourage this, and it's hard to know how the likes of Spain will react as they might be less bothered by a potential separatist state gaining membership if the parent isn't in the EU any more. But on the flip side we don't currently meet the entry requirements and I think that people pointing that out might be more readily listened to this time round.

Lass we must have been at a different show. I was working at the RHS yesterday and the support for Sturgeon was overwhelming.

Pearly, you are wrong: Scotland won't leave 'to join the EU'.

There won't be a referendum, and if there was we'd vote No, because oil is weak, Europe is weak, our voice in Europe would be tiny and we wouldn't be able to take the Euro or to keep the pound. There is no mechanism for Scotland to join the EU while still part of the U.K. and the process of independence would leave Scotland in limbo for even longer than the rUK so completely unable to attract foreign investment.

I thought there'd be a lot of shouting from the YES faction but it's been quiet. I think Scotland is in shock and worn out. You must not be on Twitter. #Indyref2 was trending. Lots of 'someone I know voted No but now would vote Yes' in the cold light of day based on less information and more uncertainty

Saturday and Sunday tends to be the public's day, Thursday and Friday tend to be more for the trade. Just about every single person I spoke to said something along the lines that Sturgeon was already mouthing off and that was the last thing the country needed.

My FB is alive with indy2. It's on people's profile pics and everything.

Come to think of it, many haven't removed the Yes bubble from the last time.

I'm out of touch clearly!

Apologies for not including Wales and of course Northern Ireland are facing a political chasm too.

I was staunchly No. I am no fan of the SNP. Yes I want the dust to settle and see what unfolds for a bit before making anymore political decisions.

But if I'm honest, my heart and feeling at the moment is so angry with Westminster I could vote for Independence. This is why waiting, reading and thinking is crucial. Not making decisions in a rush and in the heat of shock and high feelings.

I saw a fair few indyref 2 type posts. They didn't have the triumphant tone I'd expected and a few were from more "soft" yessers - I think a lot of knee jerk emotion which I expect will calm down over the next few days and weeks as people remember why No prevailed last time and why it proved to be the more sensible option with oil prices collapsing and so on.

As a very vocal No voter I'm taking a wait and see approach. There are still far too many unknowns to say how I'd vote in a Scottish indy ref.

Typical of Nicola to take the opposite approach though. The country needs a bit of stability and calm, not the threat of another referendum based on fuck all detailed information as to what that means for the economy, pensions, currency and so on.

Holyrood has just pushed through a land reform act which has huge implications for the farming industry but which needs vast amounts of consultation and secondary legislation to make it operational. Same with the private housing act.

Yet civil servants will be asked to draft legislation for indyref2.

I watched her on Andrew Marr. I found it ironic that she was so disgusted we'd been brought into a period of economic stability against our will. Yet when independence was the goal, she and her party were more than happy to accept the instability and uncertainty that came with it

She also said she absolutely doesn't want a border with England - that just doesn't seem feasible if Scotland is in the EU and England isn't. Basically she still doesn't have any answers, just a "it's fine, we're Scotland, we don't need a plan it will all just fall in our lap"

Just heard on Radio, 59 percent of Scotland would now say Yes according to latest poll?

Nobody asked me :)

Not sure where poll is from or who by!

Sunday post. Sentiment is high and people are feeling disenfranchised, it will settle down. I would not take that as representative of the nation!

Sorry petals was being cheeky! I have so little faith in the polls. I can actually see it being true though which I find worrying!

That poll must have been conducted Friday, when emotions would have been running incredibly high. I'd take it with a pinch of salt.