To ask how Scottish Indyref1 NO voters are feeling about it today?

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I was just chatting with DH about the possibility of a second Indyref whilst watching the news and I wondered how those who voted no in 2014 are feeling now?

Cards on the table, for those who weren't on the Indyref threads, I was a strong no voter and campaigner last time. I work in financial services (have changed company since) and I had huge concerns about the impact on the economy of a No vote - all the issues around currency etc. I also found a lot of the campaign arguments very unconvincing and like we were being promised the moon which could never materialise.

I still feel that way about the last referendum. But I have to admit that watching the news today, seeing people proudly declaring they voted out because of immigrants...this isn't a country which currently reflects me. I still have massive concerns about the economy although it's a lot less clear cut given the likely turmoil over the next few years.

I'm well aware that an independent Scotland may have huge issues getting in to the EU btw, it's not so much about the EU membership but about feeling a bit less affinity with being 'British' today.

I voted No because although I could sit and debate for hours with intelligent, well-informed Yes votes who just about swayed me, there was always a part of my brain that though that the whole concept was based on an idea of Scottish national identity that I don't have because I'm English. It seemed wrong for me to subscribe to a view that no matter how it was framed, was still a nationalist argument. It was still based on 'Scotland is different to England' and 'England is rich and right-wing'. Or just 'England is the Other'.

Now, I'd vote Yes. Because the reaction in England to the cuts and general isolation of the votes is to swing to the right, rather than the left, and the only hope we have is Labour who are useless. Scotland wants to be closer to Europe, to keep a strong social welfare policy. The Tory leader is a gay woman and the Greens actually win things. It is, I think, a whole different country.

I voted no and remain and will vote no every time there's another bloody referendum. I didn't like Nicola Sturgeon before but I absolutely detest her now. She could barely contain her glee at the EU result because it is exactly what she wanted to happen - an excuse to get on her independence soapbox again as a PP put it.

What stylishduck said. Completely.

Genuine question here - what does Scotland bring to the EU? If 2 years ago we were being told there would be no automatic entry and some of the leaders said they'd veto any vote (Spain I think because of Basque separatist movement) why would this have changed? Scotland's economy is not exactly rosy at the minute.....

Sugar the only thing that currently makes Scotland appealing to the EU is the fact that allowing them to join would piss off the rest of the UK. Sad times

Thought so. I'm guessing even that isn't a good enough reason

Agree with you stylish duck! Pissed off that my vote for remain was used as a supportive message for Scottish independence.

I was a strong No and voted Remain. I'm less of a certain No at the moment, but I think that's a knee-jerk reaction. If nothing else, current events make me wonder whether a Yes vote would have been a disaster; that the 'scaremongering' and 'fear campaigns' were in fact realistic - like it would seem now with Leave.

I voted No last time. Would vote Yes now IF an independent Scotland would definitely have EU membership.

I was a firm no, would have been a yes if I'd foreseen Thursday

I voted No in 2014 and will vote No in any future independence referendums. The thing that annoys me the most is the way the Yes voters are still banging on about the results - give it a rest ffs I'm sure your time will come but right now I feel like the wounds are still too raw so to speak.

"Scotland voted with 'the Westminister elite' - the very same people the last referendum told us we were different to."

I think it was a very different proposition in Scotland and England.

Firstly because we'd already considered what leaving the EU might mean in the independence referendum, it was a huge issue then.

But also, most no voters and a fair few yes voters had a massive problem with the white paper planning what would happen, the fact that some of it was misleading and the vagueness of some things and the lack of plan B if we didn't get what we want after we left.

Leave don't even have a plan A!!!

So actually I don't think the remain vote in Scotland has much to do with independence or being different from anyone, so much as having considered it all for longer and with a slightly different viewpoint caused by the independence referendum.

I'm sure if it wasn't for the EU referendum, there would be some reason found to hold another...

But maybe like me a lot of the no voters last time round and the remain voters this time round were the same people.

Scotland voted the same way as London, Cardiff, and most of Belfast; the three other capitals in the four nations; the same way as the 'Northern powerhouse' cities of Manchester and Leeds as well as Liverpool and Newcastle upon Tyne; and the university cities of Oxford and Cambridge.

Lots of cities of the UK agreed with you, it doesn't feel like 'us and you' where I'm living

And add to that Bristol, Bath, Winchester and Exeter . Canterbury, Sheffield and Birmingham were only leave by a very small margin. I'm not keen at all on this Scottish/English them and us.

"But maybe like me a lot of the no voters last time round and the remain voters this time round were the same people."

I think the remain voters were both was what I mean.

I was a yes voter - I was willing to accept a plan to leave the UK that I was broadly ok with but had some flaws.

This one, well firstly I'm not as keen to be out of the EU as the UK, it's a different kind of union, but mostly...

It was just, yay let's leave the EU, it'll all be brilliant and well, nothing else, literally nothing but a load of hot air hinting at undeliverable things and no planning at all for how leaving the EU would actually work.

No and remain. Probably No again. I would love to know how many people in Scotland would have voted remain if Nicola hadn't tied the vote in to the possibility of another independence referendum. Was particularly surprised by the low turnout in Glasgow on Thursday. I think the ramifications of a Yes vote in 2014 would have been similar to those happening currently but on a smaller scale.

I am pro EU, but have a horrible feeling there will be no EU to be pro about within the next few years. I also don't think Scotland's possible accession to the EU would be as easy as the SNP are suggesting.

I really don't understand the 'leave' success, and I actually think many of the reasons given by 'leave' voters are the same as those given by 'yes' voters - sovereignty, control etc.

What a godawful mess.

Just been listening to Ian mcwhirter (pro yes) on radio 4. He sounded very circumspect about indyref2 and raised nothing but the problems for independent Scotland - currency/other eu countries vetoing Indy Scotland/oil. I just hope people will listen.

Yes, Cedric, I heard that, and considering he was such a Yesser in 2014, his opinion is very interesting.

I was a No and am now a YES

I am pro EU, but have a horrible feeling there will be no EU to be pro about within the next few years. I also don't think Scotland's possible accession to the EU would be as easy as the SNP are suggesting

With bells on.

I would like to think this is bleedin' obvious to everyone but given the , to quote Ian Banks "weapons grade stupidity" being displayed on another thread by a leave voter who didn't understand what she was voting for, you can't take anything for granted.

As there seems to be such a knee jerk reaction with little care about the facts (eg unlikely admission into the European Union - which probably won't exist or certainly not in its current state and the fact that we would be even more fucked economically) I hope to god that the snp camp engage their brains and don't call one soon.

Yesterday even I was a bit sentimental about Indy Scotland - I've woken up today. Having said which I feel disenfranchised everywhere. It's a horrible feeling.

This makes for very interesting reading. I am moving to Scotland shortly, although I was born and raised (just) the other side of the border. It feels a bit weird that I would potentially have a vote in an Indyref2 as a newcomer. Genuinely open to hearing both sides.

Hope you didn't buy a house yet ocelot? I have grave fears for property prices with brexit followed by the uncertainty of another indyref.

It feels like we've been taken on a school residential and the teachers have fucked off home.

I'm no tory lover but if a stern, credible person in a suit could step up now and tell us what's happening, that would be great.