Brace Yourself for Indy Ref 2

[LunaLoveg00d]

Now given the EU referendum result, it's guaranteed. I can almost hear the sounds of Sturgeon celebrating from here.

So we have not only 2 years of protracted negotiations with UK and the EU to get through, we have an almost immediate resurrection of the Indy Ref calls and more years of divisive campaigning hell.

Hope she didn't flick them with the lizard tongue when you weren't looking Daily - or insert the brainwash microchip? I'd keep an eye on them if they start showing unnatural tendencies.

[Grin]

That just put me in mind of this

Jeez, i don't know about little children but I have two teenage boys (and a DH) that would happily be enticed into her embrace. I quite fancied her myself tbh :o

Step away from the dark side Wanker!

Step away from the dark side Wanker!

It's okay - I will never vote SNP.

Joking apart she was/is fairly nice in person, unlike Salmond who came across as a bit of a douchebag, and I don't mind her personally the way I do him. I've also heard from someone else who had to deal with him visiting their workplace regularly that he was a nightmare.

I knew a parent of a severely disabled child whose disabilities were caused by hospital error, she had a visit from NS when she was health and wellbeing secretary or whatever it was called and she was truly awful to them. I've lost touch now but the case was still rumbling through court at the times and the woman still hadn't had an apology and was left with a child with complex health needs that she still had to fight tooth and nail to get support for. It was a few years ago so I'm a bit sketchy on the details now, but I can remember this poor woman's anger, not so much at the hospital but at the way NS was treating her. As devastated as she was, she appreciated that mistakes are sometimes just mistakes, all she was fighting for was proper care for her child - it clearly wasn't in budget.

Add that to the lies and general sleekit-ness and i really have no time for the woman.

Wanker
don't worry, my 8 year old rolls her eyes at EVERYTHING and says, darkly: 'it'll be that Nicolas Turgeon's fault'.
ds, 11, says: 'no, Nicola Sturgeon' and dd says: 'she's just as bad, the horrible woman' []grin]

Not that I talk politics and influence my children, oh no...

She doesn't need to insert the brainwash microchip. The SNP are doing it anyway with the NP legislation. Dd comes home saying: 'all the grown ups in my life are gardeners and my NP is like my Head Gardener'. FFS.
Yes, the State knows better than parents, not only in extreme cases of abuse but for ALL children's wellbeing. My arse it does.

Ah well I have DS1 who has no clue about anything that is going on unless it has anything to do with PC graphic cards. DS2 has been a member of the Labour party since he was 13.

When I was 17 i was living in my own (purchased) flat, working full time and driving....now I'd need to have a named person

That's awful Wanker - you'll know what I mean about coming across as nice in person but trustworthy, nope, no way.

We've not had that much about the NP legislation here, I'm aware of it (childcare business) but it doesn't seem to be cropping up in day to day life yet. DD is slightly younger though so probably hasn't had it inserted yet

Similar story here, mine was a council flat and admittedly I didn't drive but...we interview a lot of young folk and i despair at the immaturity

Statistically My two came home with a stock letter from school saying that we would be told about who their NP would be at some point in August but for school age pupils it's expected to be the Head/Deputy head. Neither of those no my children from the next boy and the only time I have ever needed support from the school and ask for it, I got fuck all. DH is planning to ask to be opted out as per NSs fuck up in that interview. Then he proposes to keep contacting them to ask for advice on childrearing - nothing against whoever gets appointed but he wants to make a point.

I don't blame them. Save yourselves Scotland.

What i was meaning is that they have put this in place for all children up to age 18 but the vast majority (of all children tbf) of over 16s went need it and those that do will already be on (or should be on) the radar. It would be better to use the money to make support available and accessible for teens who need it.

But that's this government all over - put stuff in place for people who don't need it in the interest of "fairness" without appreciating that fairness isn't about treating everyone the same.

I think the head would know DD, but only cos DH is on the PSA and our school is small (200ish) but before that I doubt the health visitor could have picked her out of a line up. I think the communication to childcare businesses about what it actually means for them has been really poor too, it's relying on them finding out and doing internal training, or on staff getting info as part of qualifications which they might either not be doing or already have completed.

Maybe they are going to tattoo the details on the child so that everyone knows who to contact with issues?

straw poll if you don't mind - it is highly related to this debate if a personal slant: would you buy a home in a lovely part of Edinburgh/Scotland having agreed a pre-Brexit price (assuming it wouldn't happen, naively), mortgage is fairly close to the edge of your affordability? Or would you pull out and rent to see what happens? We don't have much equity to put down. Is Indy ref 2 enough for you to leave Scotland or will you ride it out?

Wanders they won't need to tattoo a number on, the little chips they want to insert under the hair line won't be visible...

We have some letter home about np and we spoke to the school about it and they seemed to shy away wanting to speak about it. We have a visit to the HV next week for little ones jabs, the HV knows us quite well and we have had several interesting conversation about what govt. does so no doubt we will have another interesting conversation again. We actually like the HV but she spouts out the party line and when you question her she doesn't really have any answers but admits that.

Munch I think it would depend on how stable your employment was or how employable you feel you are, but it's the same decision you always have to make when entering a large financial commitment.

Edinburgh is a reasonably safe place to buy in terms of resalability. Would you have any spare capacity in the property to be able to rent a room if payments became tough?

As much as I dread indyref2 and the sad eventuality of it winning independence, Scotland is my country and i will not be chased out of it by fucking morons. I also feel that there isn't a queue of countries queuing up for "older" immigrants. I do quite fancy living in the Lake district though, especially if I can be in easy reach of a Booths supermarket :)

How imminent is the decision? Stock market is doing well, currency doing well against the dollar though not so well against the Euro.

Personally I have been a property owner since I was 17 and now have no mortgage (worked bloody hard to pay it off) so I feel slightly protected from any post brexit consequences, I voted to remain but it was a close call tbh (no, I'm not a racist!). overall, I think that the UK out of Europe will be okay - I am more concerned about a Scotland out of the UK tbh.

the little chips they want to insert under the hair line won't be visible...

That's not actually too much of a joke. I watched a programme showing that they can insert small chips under the skin (a bit like microchipping your pet) that can be used in a corporate environment instead of using a security pass to get through doors and access your printing etc. it's only a matter of time...

She's not quite as odious as Salmond - wonderful example of damning with faint praise.

Careful Wankers, you're not allowed to say working hard allowed you to pay off your mortgage on MN...

Munch, I think it depends on how stable you think your job is. Edinburgh property tends to be fairly stable, especially if you've managed to get a family friendly house in a decent catchment area. How far along are you with your mortgage? There's a possibility of rates coming down a bit so if you can fix at a slightly lower rate that might help buy you a bit of breathing room.

It's hard, we've just extended our mortgage to clear debt from starting the business and to support expansion and it's kind of scary with this happening. We still have a decent amount of equity but I've already had to say to DH that we are going to have to be quite ruthless about business decisions and pulling the plug quicker if it looks like Edinburgh is going bad as I won't pump good money after bad.

wonderful example of damning with faint praise.

A very Edinburgh trait if ever I saw one, we do it particularly well!

Sorry for the derail - we have to decide early next week. No room rent as all bedrooms needed for dc, but we could buy something cheaper in a less nice area to reduce the risk or rent but it looks as though all this could take 3-5 years to shake out. dh's job is v secure, i contract but could find something as work in a busy field especially if I did a few courses - we've made at least 2 not great buying the wrong thing at the wrong time decisions before, not disasters but we've certainly not made money on property which is a rare talent these days. I agree I'm more concerned specifically about us buying in Scotland and being hit hard by tax rises, rate rises after the b of e stops keeping them low etc.

If it's any comfort, when the bank assess how much borrowing they'll give you they apply a massive stress test to see if you could cope with higher interest rates. It's a rise of 7% IIRC (it might be a rise to 7%, but they're the same pretty much anyway!) so although it might feel like a lot you shouldn't be massively overstretching.