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Is erotic incest literature considered PORN?

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shabs14 · 10/06/2010 19:17

I would just like to hear as many views as i can about whether erotic literature of this type is considered porn. Its something i have discovered on my OH's phone. I don't know what to think as he says its nothing and just something he was reading cos he was bored and lonely.
But the page he had bookmarked was a story about Mother and Son incest. I felt abit sick really.

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IMoveTheStars · 11/06/2010 00:27

Hmmm... flowers in the attic isn't really a good example of anything..... the brother and sister were kept in an attic for years with absolutely no other contact other than their pre-school aged brother and sister. (bear with me here) They were forced into a parental roles and when the youngest child died and they managed to escape, they pretended to be the childs parents. the description of sex between them wasn't meant to be revolting, it was meant to emphasise the horror of the situation.

I didn't find it disturbing at all (and I first read it when I was about 14), what I did find worrying about that book was the description of a newborn boys penis becoming erect when splashed with water in the bath.

don't get me started on Heaven etc

SolidGoldBrass · 11/06/2010 01:10

Erm, Jareth, baby boys do sometimes get erections in the bath. It doesn't mean that the person bathing them is thinking impure thoughts or doing anything inappropriate, it's a natural physical process.
WRT Flowers In The Attic I haven't actually read it. The Cement Garden is a book read by adults, though - and how the reader interprets any text is up to the reader. FFS a bloke with a schoolgirl fetish might well toss off over an Enid Blyton book.

IMoveTheStars · 11/06/2010 01:15

SGB I know I have a DS. I didn't phrase it properly. In the book it gets a very deliberate mention, and it not neccessary to the plot, it's a weird thing that stands out in that chapter.

BritFish · 11/06/2010 02:16

wow, intense discussion here.
id just like to add a few things to the incest debate.
firstly a question, whats the official stance on the fact that if Adam&Eve ever existed, to create the world there would have had to have been incestuous relationships.
but anyway.
incest is taboo. in certain places it is not still taboo, people marrying cousins etc.
and there have been some very sad stories recently about adoptive siblings falling in love, or one awful case of a father being a sperm donor, and two of his 'donations' later falling in love without knowing. they had a child together. they were in love.
i do not agree with incest, i think that to actually become aroused you have to have a strange relationship with family members, ditto child abuse.
they are both wrong.
however, erotic fiction is just fiction. maybe the fiction is good on the action and the incest is sidelined [having come across such a story on literotica and, it having a neutral title, not realising the nature of it.] some of these stories, especially on sites like these, only add in the incest stuff later so that their stories can climb the toplists, as that is what is popular. the one i saw literally went a page before mentioning the incest.
im not condoning it, just offering some new arguments.

if i found out my DH occassionally had fantasies about men, for example i wouldnt doubt his sexuality or our relationship. if i found he had accessed a gay porn site, i would sit down with him in a non-judgemental state and find out whether it was pure curiosity or a deeper motive.
[maybe this is because i am of the school that sexuality is an ever moving target and than your particular favoured gender may not do it sometimes]

OP, have a chat with your DH without being confrontational or judgey, because he will leap up to defend himself and he wont be honest about what he is feeling.

williewalshsballs · 11/06/2010 07:29

brit many good points in there.

Just to be clear, I'm all for unconventional fantasies, that's what a fantasy is...something you wish you could do but may not necessarily be able to. So gay sex, group sex etc are all perfectly fine, and it wouldn't make me think differently of my DH. It's where the fantasy involves thoughts which I consider to be repugnant that I draw the line.

I suppose everyone's line is drawn in a different place, but if I became aware that someone was having such thoughts then yes. I would judge. and for that I don't apologise.

serenity · 11/06/2010 08:12

I don't know whether to get drawn into this or not. It's a fairly circular and pointless argument tbh as I can't see anyone changing their minds over this.

I could say that, depending on where she posts her fic, I could possibly have read Whiporwhills MILs fic (some of it anyway, not the dad stuff) Suffice to say I have no urges towards my sister whatsoever. I'm not going into an elaborate justification of incest fic in Supernatural fanfiction although I could probably link you to a couple of thesis on the phenomenon (a phenomenon that isn't unique to that particular fandom, it's old and surprisingly prevalent. Find a fandom with attractive people playing siblings, who have a degree of chemistry and someone will slash them). Thoughts are not action, and thoughts about actions other people do is not the same as wanting to do things yourself.

If you don't like it, fine. There's plenty of things people read that I can't understand either, and plenty of things that make my toes curl (and hope whoever's reading and writing it gets it out of their system fast)

OP - talk to your DH. Tell him it makes you uncomfortable (it would do the same to me, parent/child fiction is not something I'm comfortable with) Ask him why he's reading it. Maybe you won't understand, but maybe he can set your mind at ease that he's not... I don't know, what are worried that he is? Has it really made you worried about his relationship with his parents, or with your children? Talk to him.

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