Is erotic incest literature considered PORN?

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I would just like to hear as many views as i can about whether erotic literature of this type is considered porn. Its something i have discovered on my OH's phone. I don't know what to think as he says its nothing and just something he was reading cos he was bored and lonely.
But the page he had bookmarked was a story about Mother and Son incest. I felt abit sick really.

Of course society tries to control thoughts - we educate and inform on all manner of things to move forward! If we didn't we'd still accept child labour, the poorhouse, women as possessions, incest - you get my drift.

There are some things that we've deemed as inappropriate in society, and where necessary we legislate. If someone started fantasing about having sex with children for example, or raping women, then it would be absolutely appropriate for questions to be raised about that person.

you must admit that people can draw a line between fantasy and reality, and the vast majority do. Otherwise all attached people who fantasise about someone else (reckon that's the vast majority) would be actually shagging around, not just fantasising about it.

I think there are a lot of people who have inappropriate fantasies, but are aware that they would be damaging in real life and would never act on them

And equally there are a lot of people who do act on them...

Surely anyone finding themselves fantasising about sex with children, or animals, or raping would seriously question themselves?

Well said Maisie...

no we don't try to control thoughts - we try to change attitudes, our culture ...

how would one even go about changing thoughts

"If someone started fantasing about having sex with children for example, or raping women, then it would be absolutely appropriate for questions to be raised about that person."
wow, do you really think that? I think that is a hugely narrowminded thing to say. HOW on EARTH would you ever KNOW?

What do you mean by "questions to be raised"? IF someone had a fantasy, a private thought about raping, or being raped, or committing incest, would this mean they shouldn't work with children for example?

Thing is, he has already acted on a fantasy if he has porn on his phone. A fantasy is in your head. Something you buy and download is a commodity, a paid-for sexual experience. No-one can police what's in someone else's head, but the act of seeking something out to download and then reading it is going beyond fantasy. It is acting on a fantasy.

you can't and shouldn't control your partners thoughts but were I to find out that my partner was having toughts incompatible with my moral code....I'd have to reconsider being in a relationship with him

"Surely anyone finding themselves fantasising about sex with children, or animals, or raping would seriously question themselves?"

Sorry I really don't understand what you are saying here. What do you mean by "question themselves"?

harpis..you're missing the point. this is no longer private as op's oh has gone some way in bringing this thought to reality andn has been found out...where to next?

reading about something is acting on a fantasy?
what moral difference is there?
so, what judgements are you making about the (countless thousands) of people who read erotic fantasies like this every single day?
what have they done wrong?
would you ban them from teaching?
working with children?
being a childminder?
these are genuine questions, because I am genuinely shocked and surprised that thoughts are being described in criminal terms.
that really IS vile

Exactly Math.

Surely our thoughts inform our attitudes? You think it's hugely narrow-minded to say that questions would be raised about a person who fantasised about raping or having sex with children? I call it being pragmatic. Of course thoughts are private, but if you knew a male teacher had thoughts about raping your daughter, would you still feel happy about him teaching her? Regardless of whether he plans to act on it?

Where to next?
do you think that he is now closer to having sex with his mother than he was before?
what evidence do you have for that assertion?
it makes no logical sense whatsoever.
I am not missing the point at all, I am asking some pretty pertinent questions and not getting any answers

harpis you're confusing the law with the morals of it all

so if I found evidence of my DH's thoughts made real by pictures/text/video etc, I would be unreasonable to think badly of him, would I ??

because he couldn't control my thoughts that he was a pig and I should get shut, sharpish

Maisie
I would never ever know
if, hypothetically, I did find out (how? by telepathy? torture? seriously, thoughts are private; we don't get to know about them) then I understand that thoughts are private and if we criminalise someone for a thought, for something that exists only in their heads, is deeply immoral and utterly despotic and vile.

There is also the legal aspect of it - he's fantasised about something illegal and not accepted by our society, downloaded it and read it. If you would feel happy about your partner doing that, then what can anyone say?

You're not answering my question - would you feel happy about him teaching your daughter?

you have shared your thoughts on here that fantasy about incest is "common", is no big deal, ie you condone it. imo, incest and underage sex are in same league. It logically follows therefore that you think underage sex is ok. by my logic.

How dare you. I have reported your post.
I am shaking with shock and anger.
It is immoral to accuse someone, entirely without justification, of thinking underage sex is ok.
this is a horrible personal attack.

Tbh even though they are all illegal, I feel incest falls into a different category from bestiality and paedophilia, because in incest both parties can give consent, unless one is a child and then it's paedophilia. REALLY not my kind of thing though, and I would be if I found any of it on my partner's phone

maisie agree. but I was refereing to thoughts not being criminalised...but still being imoral

realy cant be arsed with spelling anymore

I did answer your question.
his thoughts are private. that is a very important moral principle.
it is also an important moral principle, I think, not to attack someone personally and accuse them of something truly disgusting and vile.

you are confusing thoughts with actions.

your actions have made me cry so I am afraid I am going to have to leave this discussion.

I'm sorry you think it's a personal attack - wasn't meant to be. I'm just saying that imo fantasy about incest is as horrific as fantasy about underage sex...and that anyone who thinks one is ok would think the other is ok

Harpsi - you cannot blame anyone else. If you're going to state that "thoughts are private and if we criminalise someone for a thought, for something that exists only in their heads, is deeply immoral and utterly despotic and vile" then it follows that you accept that of all thought.