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Is erotic incest literature considered PORN?

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shabs14 · 10/06/2010 19:17

I would just like to hear as many views as i can about whether erotic literature of this type is considered porn. Its something i have discovered on my OH's phone. I don't know what to think as he says its nothing and just something he was reading cos he was bored and lonely.
But the page he had bookmarked was a story about Mother and Son incest. I felt abit sick really.

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KerryMumbles · 10/06/2010 22:24

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Maisiethemorningsidecat · 10/06/2010 22:27

Raped? Really? What is it about a particularly horrific crime that leaves girls and women throughout the world traumatised and scarred mentally and physically for life that arouses you?

shabs14 · 10/06/2010 22:27

I appreciate your honesty Kerry.
Although i don't think everyone who has a fantasy believes it to be just that 'a fantasy'. Some do act upon it.

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AnyFucker · 10/06/2010 22:27

if I thought my DH was getting off on fantasies of shagging his mother, I would swear he had been abducted by aliens/had a mental breakdown

I can quite categorically say I have never had a single thought of fucking my father

killing the man, yes...

however, they do say sex and violence are not too far apart so maybe I am a fucked-up person too

harpsichordcarrier · 10/06/2010 22:30

oh come on that's a pretty low blow!
sexual arousal is really complicated and instinctive and is NOT really subject to logic or higher thought.
incest is illegal if you DO it but not if you THINK about...

KerryMumbles · 10/06/2010 22:30

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FellatioNelson · 10/06/2010 22:32

Er, KerryMumbles, I have fantasised about many things, but never my 'Daddy'. I'm not sure who you hang out with, but I don't know anyone who has ever admitted to sexual fantasies about their own parents!

KerryMumbles · 10/06/2010 22:34

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harpsichordcarrier · 10/06/2010 22:35

But it is a bit literal to think that someone googling mother/son stuff is thinking about their mother.
more likely they are aroused by the taboo/forbidden nature of it.
the naughtiness aspect.
just like women fantasising about other women - or about being beaten - or raped - there is something forbidden/exotic/powerful about these fantasies and they are also very common.

I think it isn't that helpful to think about this as vile, really. being shocked and angry doesn't get us much further, i think.

re incest being a common fantasy, there are many examples from "literature"...

Flowers in the Attic
Cement Garden
(as already mentioned)
that film with Brooke Shields on the desert island....
The Other Boleyn Girl

williewalshsballs · 10/06/2010 22:37

whatever Kerry.. incest = yeuch

I get the taken as you protest by a stranger fantasy, and have lots of dirty thoughts myself . but incest? underage sex? bleurgh

harpsichordcarrier · 10/06/2010 22:37

incest in popular culture

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Maisiethemorningsidecat · 10/06/2010 22:39

I disagree - I think that being shocked, or seeing something as vile is absolutely appropriate in certain cases, and moves society's thinking forward. Otherwise it would be appropriate to fantasise about having sex with children for example, or animals. Or rape.

shabs14 · 10/06/2010 22:40

I have to say i think along the lines of Maisie.

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williewalshsballs · 10/06/2010 22:40

common it may be. very wrong it definitely is. If you think fantasy about incest is wrong then what's your take on fantasy about underage sex. men fantasising about sex with say 10 year olds.. In my book it's the same sort of thing.. question is for kerry and Harpsi.

williewalshsballs · 10/06/2010 22:41

I meant "if you think it's ok"

AnyFucker · 10/06/2010 22:41

some people do think that is appropriate, maisie

sadly

Maisiethemorningsidecat · 10/06/2010 22:43

Exactly Willie. I'd also question how common it actually is - given that you can't police thoughts.

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harpsichordcarrier · 10/06/2010 22:43

I am not sure what you mean by appropriate
sexual fantasies are private, and no one else's business, frankly.
disapproving of them is a bit pointless, and very controlling in a relationship.
If I was in a relationship with someone and they tried to control what went on in my head, I would consider that they had a huge problem.
But attempting to judge, to control someone you aren't in a relationship with, to seek to decide whether someone's fantasies are appropriate - well that is beyond belief, really. None of your business.
Trying to control thoughts is not moving society forward. It is attempting (pointlessly) to move it backwards.

LadyBlaBlah · 10/06/2010 22:44

fucking hell

sometimes ignorance is bliss

AnyFucker · 10/06/2010 22:44

there are some people's heads I would shudder to get inside, tbh

harpsichordcarrier · 10/06/2010 22:45

if I think what is ok??
do I think it is OK for a man to think about having sex with a ten year old?
well, I think it is not in the least bit relevant what I think. because it is absolutely none of my business or your business what someone thinks

that's the point.

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