Is erotic incest literature considered PORN?

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I would just like to hear as many views as i can about whether erotic literature of this type is considered porn. Its something i have discovered on my OH's phone. I don't know what to think as he says its nothing and just something he was reading cos he was bored and lonely.
But the page he had bookmarked was a story about Mother and Son incest. I felt abit sick really.

it is a personal attack to accuse someone of condoning the things you mentioned, when I was talking VERY CLEARLY about thoughts
it is also a personal attack to call someone a "loon"
I think you may have forgotten that you are addressing an actual person, with feelings and emotions.

at harpsi spitting out the dummy

And no, I'm specifically NOT confusing thought with action. I said "of course thoughts are private, but if you knew a male teacher had thoughts about raping your daughter, would you still feel happy about him teaching her? Regardless of whether he plans to act on it?"

Maisie, I am sorry but your last post makes no sense so I can't respond to it
I am backing out of this discussion now.

haven't forgotten you're a person.
think you just need to calm down and stop taking this personally really. Look, I even apologised at 23.06:51. what more do you want from me?

I really can't make my post any clearer, I'm afraid.

harpsichordcarrier, I'm sorry you've been upset by this discussion. I can completely see why. FWIW, I do agree with you.

Sexual arousal gained by enjoying something that is taboo and fictional is a very different thing to even the desire to pursue that taboo concept yourself or even to condone it in rl in any legal or general terms.

You may find the idea unpalatable, immoral or disgusting, but the sexual enjoyment of the idea merely through thought or fiction is indicative of nothing other than that, a fiction.

"it follows that you accept that of all thought." it follows that I accept all of what thought?

really? you can't make that ANY clearer?

It was a personal attack, and a particularly unpleasant one. I would rather not repeat it though, because it has been deleted and I would appreciate it if you would refrain from repeating the assertion you made.

But if you leave aside the question of whether it would translate into action, the very fact that you become aroused by the thought of raping someone or having sex with a child throws up questions about you. Dittany asks about wanting to be around a man who fantasised about raping you, and I asked about being happy about your daughter being taught by a man who wanted to rape her. Regardless of whether he would translate that into action, I'd not want her/me to be anywhere near him.

None of my posts have been deleted, Harpsi. Are you confusing me with Willie?

To clarify my own point of view btw. I was referring to the situation described in the op. Fantasising about an incest fiction. V different to fantisising about a real person/relation. I genuinely don't know what I think about that.

I wonder though if during your fantasy reading about mothers and sons having sex in general if you just wouldn't have a sneaky thought about doing it with your own mum. Just a thought...

That's not how fantasy usually works Maisie.

It's arousing precisely because it is so removed from your reality.

I completely agree with you harpsi.

I also believe that the "shock horror" brigade are protesting a bit too much.

Let she who has never had a filthy fantasy (that they would never actually want to act out) cast the first stone!

lot's of filthy fantasies here. but incest? really? the mind boggles.

I take it all those of you coming up with the usuall silly nonsense about how everyone should never think a bad thing, are all people who never read fiction or at least never enjoy it.
We are talking specifically about text here, so the anti-porn argument that real human beings have to pose and display themselves for the porn to be produced, doesn't apply. By the definitions some people are posting here, anyone who has ever read a crime novel (or indeed Greek or Roman mythological texts) is 'acting on' their fantasies about taboo subjects.
I would like someone to explain to me in sensible terms the moral or socially harmful difference between reading Flowers In The Attic and having a wank over the incesty bits, and reading I Fucked My Mum or the equivalent in a porn mag or collection of online sexually explicit text. Answers claiming great literary merit for Flowers In The Attic will not win a prize.

I still maintain that someone can fantasise about something but not enjoy the reality. DP regularly says he is looking forward to 'ravishing' me, and other slightly rapey things. It doesn't mean he's a rapist, it's just something a bit edgy that he knows I won't take the wrong way (so to speak) and he would never do anything sexual to me against my will

It is perfectly acceptable to accuse people in possession of 'child pornography' of being criminals, since that is a crime in and of itself, and whether someone would ever act upon the thoughts or images in their heads and rape a child themselves does not matter. Society holds that the possession and viewing of such material is not desireable and judgement-worthy by itself.

yes but mathanxiety, in order to produce child pornography (photos, films etc) you have to abuse a child. Not the same of writing fiction

mathanxiety, child pornography, images of children, actual exploitation of children is a reality.

A story about fictional people doing fictional things to other fictional people in a fictional setting is not the same thing at all.

yes Kerry - most times we don't know the inner workings of the minds of our nearst/dearest. but if, as in the op's case (had forgotten about her ), you find out and are repulsed by the thoughts....is it not then your right to question the character of that person? Once out in the open, thoughts are fair game for being judged imo

People always have the capacity to surprise