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It seems DH is plotting to secretly meet an old GF while on a business trip. WWYD?

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CoteDAzur · 08/06/2010 14:14

He hasn't breathed a word about this to me and it sounds like a rather romantic date.

WWYD?

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Bonsoir · 13/06/2010 10:35

Just be a little bit careful about how controlling you become, Cote... everyone is good about going underground if they think that their every movement is being monitored.

ilovemydogandMrObama · 13/06/2010 10:37

Well, sounds like it was a shot across the bows.

There may or may have been been intent, but wasn't it President Carter who said he had committed adultery in his mind many times?

CoteDAzur · 13/06/2010 10:40

You are right, Bonsoir. It will of course take time for me to trust him again and I will be monitoring his behavior on several fronts but he will not know this,

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Bonsoir · 13/06/2010 10:41

Yes... watch and take notes in silence!

CoteDAzur · 13/06/2010 10:49

I would like to take a moment here to thank every one of you who have contributed to this thread. This is the first time in my years on MN that I have needed support and relationship advice, and I am amazed at and humbled by the response that I have received.

You have not only been supportive in this difficult time, but your wise advice has been invaluable. Without your thoughts and comments, especially those who have steered me away from the PI route, this episode in my life could have an entirely different ending.

Thank You, from the bottom of my heart.

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WhenwillIfeelnormal · 13/06/2010 11:35

Cote, I have thought long and hard about your situation and confess that it has caused me some pain too, because I would have given anything for the chance to rumble my H's first meeting with OW, prior to it happening.

I know that if I had, he would have behaved rather like yours - denied that he would have gone through with it - and unless I had seen the content of texts, might even have claimed that it was just a friendly meeting with an old colleague. But he also knows me better than that and he knows that I wouldn't have accepted it for a minute. I would have had to shake him out of his denial and my approach would have been "we cannot move on from this until you admit what this was really about".

I think if I still hadn't been able to get him to admit the truth, I would at that point have taken us to a third party like a counsellor to flush it out.

Really, only when the truth is out there and faced up to, that he was flattered by the attention and in all likelihood, would have gone ahead with infidelity, can you properly move on. But I think sometimes with these things, the person the H is lying to most is himself, bargaining with himself that he really wouldn't have been capable of sexual infidelity, when in fact he would have gone right ahead.

My H and I have often had conversations about what he would have told himself - and me - had I found out what was going on at various stages, before he met the OW. My H admits that right up to the point of having sex with OW, he was telling himself that he could call this off at any time and it might not happen. And although this might sound bizarre, he has often said that if OW had called it off herself, there would have been a bit of relief mixed in with the disappointment. It all depends what was driving the emotional affair aspect of this - if it is the ego-stroking and adoration, that need can be catered for quite well without sex being involved.

What I can tell you though is that your marriage stands a much better chance from this point onwards than if sexual infidelity had occurred. But a lack of proper honesty and trust will be pernicious to your relationship and it would have been an absolute condition of mine that we had that, for me to forgive. You see, you still have a lot to forgive Cote, even what is in the open domain.

Just as an aside, do you feel you have to have a tough exterior with him and not show your vulnerability to him? Does he realise how hurt you really are about this?

The reason I ask this, is because it sounds as though your conversation was rooted in you in parent mode, to his child mode. The tone is all about controlling his future movements, and less about "You have hurt me very deeply and I am feeling very insecure" which might produce a better, more honest result.

WhenwillIfeelnormal · 13/06/2010 11:58

Meant to say last night that when I asked my H why he had kept this contact with the OW secret when she first got in touch, he replied rather like yours. That he thought I hated her as she had made an unsuccessful pass at him years earlier and would therefore disapprove of the friendship. It didn't take him long to admit that this was a convenient smokescreen and was in effect, passing the blame to me.

In fact I didn't hate her at all, but had always thought of her as sad and a bit pathetic. But he was right that I wouldn't have approved, just as he wouldn't have if I had been resuming a friendship with someone who had always made it clear they wanted to sleep with me.

You know, at the very least it would be good if you two could read "Not Just Friends" by Dr. Shirley Glass, which explains brilliantly about unsafe friendships and people's delusions about them.

honeybehappy · 13/06/2010 13:54

Can i be nosy and ask if you have checked his replies to her FB messages yet? it would have been the first thing i would have done once he said it wasnt pasword protected. If he has deleted them then you know he lied to you.

Well done for being so calm!!

noddyholder · 13/06/2010 14:58

Classic response.passed the blame to you and let himself off the hook.i wouldn't buy any of that.What a nonsensical story

CoteDAzur · 13/06/2010 15:07

WWIFN - Are you still with this man? If I have understood correctly, he has had an affair and you have put it behind you through counselling. Is that correct?

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CoteDAzur · 13/06/2010 15:08

honey - No, I didn't check his FB.

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CoteDAzur · 13/06/2010 15:13

noddy - No, actually, he didn't pass me the blame and he didn't let himself off the hook. He accepted that what he did was inadmissible, that he wouldn't have tolerated if I had done the same thing. He said it will never happen again.

I realize it is just words, but this is the man I am married to and especially given that this is a first offense, I am inclined to believe he means them.

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noddyholder · 13/06/2010 15:18

He said he didn't tell you because you might over react!classic pass the buck I have heard it before cote and have also been where you are! By intervening you have stopped him and given him the opportunity to be 'not guilty'.I feel for you because I really think you are being duped

Cake · 13/06/2010 15:18

I think honey's suggestion is a good one. If he has deleted his replies, then that suggests you wouldn't appreciate their content.

I think you have shaken him up, but there is still a few loose ends here that would make me very insecure. For example, him claiming her parents and children were coming to the rdv, when you suspect differently but don't want to reveal your source to him. And the 'cold feet' comment, and him deleting his call history, etc.

I hope he manages to rebuild your trust in him.

LaydeeBlahBlah · 13/06/2010 15:24

'Slightly devious because he didn't tell me about it, and absurd because for a while there he tried to make me believe that it was a coincidence that a business trip came up on the date they agreed on a month ago...'

I have been lurking this thread (and like most others, have been impressed with your coolness and straight thinking - I would have been much more impulsive). But the quote above from one of your posts is the one that would not let me leave this where it seems to be left at the moment. I may be oversimplifying it but if I understand it correctly, he tried to convince you that it was a coincidence about the business trip.

It is not my intent to be harsh BUT this would be screaming at me and there is no way I would let this go. It may be easy, perhaps preferable, to believe him and, to all intents, you have heard what you perhaps wanted him to say but he has reacted in the way that was predicted by many on this thread and I would still have that uncomfortable feeling in my stomach about this...

piratecat · 13/06/2010 15:26

laydee speaks sense imo.

CoteDAzur · 13/06/2010 15:27

Yes, he said that and I ripped him a new one. He then admitted that it was inadmissible, that he wouldn't have tolerated it if I didn't tell him about meeting an ex because he wouldn't like it, and swore he learned his lesson.

I hope he really has. If he hasn't and tries this one more time, I will go down the PI route.

I don't this "duped" has anything to do with it. If he has half a brain, he will work to build back my trust. If he continues down this path instead, he will be an ex somewhere down the line.

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CoteDAzur · 13/06/2010 15:30

Laydee - I didn't let that one go. I told him that there is no way in this world or the next that he is convincing me that the exact date and the exact place is a coincidence. He stopped claiming that pretty quickly.

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CoteDAzur · 13/06/2010 15:32

I'm a bit puzzled by several people using the word "insecure".

I don't feel insecure at all. Should I?

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blinder · 13/06/2010 15:46

Cote I think they mean insecure as in 'not reassured'. Insecure about the situation rather than insecure about yourself IYSWIM.

I think you may well have stopped an indiscretion before it began. But I guess that's quite worrying in itself. Hope he busts a gut getting back into your good books.

noddyholder · 13/06/2010 15:48

Seriously if he tries it again you will still be faffing with PIs? you do sound as though you are willing to do anything to maintain teh status quo!

Theantsgomarching · 13/06/2010 16:16

Cote - Everyone will have an opinion but yours is the only one that matters. If his response if enough for you then that's great. Speaking from experience, it's hard to rebuild trust once its broken so I wish you the best of luck. Don't be too hard on yourself if you find yourself doubting or checking up on him but try and move past it as soon as you feel able because living with that fear/doubt will eat away at your soul. Well done - I'm glad you ignored my earlier advice!

suitejudyblue · 13/06/2010 17:12

Cote - I've been following your thread and I'm sorry you find yourself in this position.
Its good you have spoken your DH about this but I hope that, as others have said, you continue to trust your instincts and be on your guard for any further transgressions.
Sadly I do think that there is quite a strong possibility that you've been lucky this time and have been able to stop anything happening but that doesn't mean your DH will reform overnight.
Good luck and I hope I'm wrong but keep your eyes and ears open.

WhenwillIfeelnormal · 13/06/2010 17:23

Cote - in answer to your question, yes I am still with my H and we are only as happy as we are now because of complete honesty and transparency.

CoteDAzur · 13/06/2010 17:35

Still, he is "H" and not DH?

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