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My children are the reason he's leaving, any advice?

365 replies

PatienceRequired · 27/03/2010 15:46

Hi all,
I am unsure whether to post this here or on the step family board but i am a regular lurker here and so feel more at home on this board.

My partner and i have been together for nearly 4 years and we both have two children from previous relationships. His are grown and independant while mine are only 7 and 4 years old. We have one dd together who is 26 months.

He wants to leave due to the fact that he just can not tolerate my two children. We have had issues before with the way he disciplines them so harshly and gives them little positive interaction to balance it. But when he tries he can be lovely with them. This is the only sticking point in our relationship.

He says he doesn't want to leave me and dd but just cant bear my 2 anymore. He says if he had somewhere to go he would be gone but he seems to be in such turmoil, like he wants to stay but dosen't want to either. He seems in such a dark place i am worried for his mental health regardless of the outcome for us as a couple. Not helped by the fact that yesterday he found out he may be out of a job in 6 weeks.

We are still "friends" and are talking lots, we don't really do shouting and screaming with venom when we have a problem but a conversation, with calm voices and taking time to consider what is being said. last night he cried which is only the second time i have seen in cry. (the other being at his brothers wedding in feb) To be honest its like he's having a midlife crisis. He assures me its not "us" that is the problem but my 2 children. And he is feeling angrier with them each day as they mean that he can't be with me and dd.

I have suggested that we can't be the only step family to have this issue and there must be some help available but he won't entertain the idea at all. He dosen't have any faith in counselling or alternative therapies at all. Or any compassion for mental health problems. As if you cant see the injury it dosen't exist. I have discussed my concern with him re his mental health but he believes that the kids are the cause of how low he feels, when i question if they are just an easy scapegoat.

As it stands he's looking for somewhere to go but not coming up with any options. In the meantime we are all kinda walking on eggshells, and it has over the years affected my relationship with my kids negatively. I know i can't allow him to treat them badly, but feel like i am in no-win situation. If we stay together then 2 of my children may be affected but if we split then the little dd life will never b the same again. I know all about 2 seperate happy parents are better than 2 miserable together, and she is young enough to adapt, but either way some of them are going to end up f*cked up and thats without taking my wishes into consideration.

I'm not sure what i want from this really, any one got any advice, or similar experiences? how did you deal with it and what was the outcome? Perhaps i just need to vent and have a virtual hand hold... i don't know what to feel really...scared to think about how i feel in case i just fall apart and cant get it back together again for the kids. It just seems such a shame when we as a couple are happy together.

OP posts:
Monty100 · 29/03/2010 01:19

OMFG!

LES - I'm speechless.

Am going to bed. Can't take op any more.

TheLadyEvenstar · 29/03/2010 01:20

IMO this "saying" he and his father share say it all...

He and his dad have a saying, "treat them like dogs and they will respect you for life"

TheLadyEvenstar · 29/03/2010 01:21

Monty hope i haven't upset you!!!

But finding the previous posts ruffled a fair few feathers here!!!

My dp has been in DS1's like since he wa 7yrs old. He is now 11 1/2 and has a DAD not a fucking enemy!

QBEE · 29/03/2010 01:22

LadyES- I really hope that someone in RL recognises her from her posts and does something about it

Unlikelyamazonian · 29/03/2010 01:25

oh feckin dear. If you are right LES then OP will have this deleted. I am going to stay up.

Casmama · 29/03/2010 01:27

I also had a look at her previous threads and one about at moany unmotivated four year old and a consistantly wetting whilst previously dry six year old says alot to me about the impact this is already having.

QBEE · 29/03/2010 01:30

Add message | Report | Contact poster By PatienceRequired Fri 23-Oct-09 13:12:16
I have a child just like this, and was just about to post a thread to see if anyone could pinpoint why, when i came across your thread.

My ds was four in june but he has always just been miserable. All he wants to do is sit in front of a screen, whether it is pc, tv or ds. Apart form that he mainly just whinges...

He rarely shows positivity about anything. If i didn't know better i'd say he came out of the womb depressed. I question all the time if there is something wrong with him or if its just because of all the change we went through when he was younger. (Marriage break down, moving twice etc.) But life has been consistent now for two years and he's still negative...

Good as gold at school but miserable for me. I can't teach him anything as he has no interest in being receptive, and i worry that he is in fact bright but stubborness is going to make him delayed. He learnt alphabet sone in 24hrs once i found it online, after trying to teach it to him for 18mths!

On a good day i think he just needs more attention, but with three i struggle to get all that has to be done, done.(like homework etc) And if i do make that effort he will reject any attempts to sit and read, draw, story, kick football etc. He's just not like a normal little boy! I don't know what to do with him. Some days its hard to like him, let alone love him. Apart from that, if it is "something" that needs attention from an educational point of view, i dont want to leave it too late so that the delay is irrevocable.

On a positive note he can be very affectionate and tells me at least half a dozen times a day that he loves me with a big hug. (Obviously i respond positively.)

I cant wait for his parent teacher meeting to see what his teacher thinks.

Sorry for the hijack, i just thought they sound too similar to start another thread, and also wanted you to know that someone else can relate to how you feel.

A dpressed four year old? Miserable? Wonder why?

''Some days its hard to like him, let alone love him.''

I think OP needs help as well and I hope that she gets it soon

Unlikelyamazonian · 29/03/2010 01:36

sorry, think it must be a troll after all.

Unlikelyamazonian · 29/03/2010 01:38

nobody would write what she has, disappear, then throw in a firecracker and bugger off altogether.

maybe MN now has long-con trolls.

GothAnneGeddes · 29/03/2010 01:47

This thread is possibly the saddest I've ever read on MN.

I cannot believe someone could be so selfish.

To Vicar, Fab and everyone else who's shared their stories: forbidden hugs and I hope you all have joy in your lives now.

Hopefully this thread will be of use to someone, even if it's not the OP.

ItsGraceAgain · 29/03/2010 02:05

What makes you think it's a troll?

I've heard this sort of thing many times, it saddens me to say. It's not unusual for adults to think of children as if they were tiny grown-ups, in need of training but equipped with a full set of adult emotions, perceptions and so on. It may have been more common in my parents' generation but someone who was, themselves, brought up this way can easily adopt the same mindset without really thinking it over. Most of the depressed mothers I nannied for were like that.

It's sad for the parents as well as the child/ren. Even if they're unwilling to delve into the mistakes of their own parents, though, they can learn how to parent a child with generosity. I'm sure it's a bit less helpful than full emotional engagement, but can still bring great joy to both parent & child.

I'm dubious about the father here - he seems to be exercising alarming levels of control and probably has much deeper issues that may never be resolved. OP, however, sounds lost and frightened more than anything ... to me, anyhow.

BitOfFun · 29/03/2010 02:31

This is the saddest thing I have ever read in my life- words fail me

LegendLay · 29/03/2010 03:02

This thread is shocking. Poor babies. OP, the kids come first! how can anyone be around someone who does not care/like their kids? what if he's harming them beyond what you can see?
please seek urgent help and leave this man

LegendLay · 29/03/2010 03:05

I'm so angry and still only only page 1. I know this section is for helpful advice but i'm spitting mad. I cannot believe this, what about the kids? someone please please help them

LegendLay · 29/03/2010 04:52

read the whole thread. I cannot stand the op. I don't care who I offend. Hate women like this with a passion. Hope the dick is so fuckin worth it.

mathanxiety · 29/03/2010 05:10

Do you think there's any way she could be reached or identified in RL? These children are suffering.

TheLadyEvenstar · 29/03/2010 05:36

Math, sadly

"You can't help those who won't help themselves"

and the OP doesn't seem as if she wants help. This is not a new thing as seen from previous posts. She says about her DP not liking the DC but she says herself "Somedays its hard to like him let alone love him" about her 4yr old so fucking .

She doesn't deserve to have her DC, I just hope their REAL father finds out and gets them away from her and her DP, who sounds like nothing more than a bully.

mathanxiety · 29/03/2010 05:52

The bio father didn't sound too interested.

Hoping the school will pick up on her negativity towards her child, or see that something is wrong inthe child's demeanour -- also that if there's anyone out there who thinks they recognise this family, they will call SServices or call the school or both.

Hate to think of those poor children facing this alone.

yojojo · 29/03/2010 06:11

Your poor children OP,they really deserve better than this. I can't understand how your relationship has got as far as it has when this man hates your children.
What is it about him that makes you value him over your children?what do you think is so great about this piece of shit?
Give your children a chance to be happy and leave him. Mind you, you haven't been moved by some of the terrible experiences other posters have just told you about so I dont think theres much hope for you and sadly for your children either

TheLadyEvenstar · 29/03/2010 07:12

I seriously cannot stop thinking about the OPs children.....I have 2 sons and they are my absoloute world, nothing or nobody would ever get away with treating them like this. FGS

skihorse · 29/03/2010 08:03

2 fucking years?

He must have a cock of gold.

Those poor kids.

TheLadyEvenstar · 29/03/2010 08:15

Ski, has got to be something like that but don't think even a platinum cock would make me put my DC second!

skihorse · 29/03/2010 08:39

I could have given her the benefit of the doubt wrt misinterpreted posts if this had been her first complaining about an unhappy family situation, but clearly this is not a "one off".

TheLadyEvenstar · 29/03/2010 08:42

not the first and not the last either i would hazard a guess. But for his own children to have problems with the way he raised them and at 24 his DD still holds it against him (well one thread said as much) there has to be more to it.

LoveBeingAMummy · 29/03/2010 08:44

OP I hope you are still reading this.

Emotional abuse is when a parent or carer behaves in a way that is likely to seriously affect their child's emotional development. It can range from constant rejection and denial of affection, through to continual severe criticism, deliberate humiliation and other ways of verbally "terrorising" a child.

It's not always easy to identify when a child is being emotionally abused. But the effects are damaging and long lasting. They can lead to serious behavioural, learning, emotional or mental disorders. All of which affect the child's chances of developing into a healthy, well-adjusted adult.

This is the NSPCC's definition of emotion abuse please have read, if only to prove that this is not happening.

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