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Why do you do it?

127 replies

Pennytree · 24/07/2009 21:23

For those of you that withdraw "Intimacy" in the bedroom

Why do you do it ?

Dh has and its doing my head in and I dont know why? Its been 7 long years and i cant take anymore

So please answer why you may??

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SolidGhoulBrass · 28/10/2009 10:48

Oh you poor girl. What a lazy, selfish, self-opitying shitbag your H is! Honestly, he ignores you repeatedly for 7 years, makes NO EFFORT AT ALL to make you happy or address the problems between you, and when you, perfectly reasonably, can't take any more and start looking after yourself, he then says, oh he'll change. Well tough luck, it's TOO LATE. He had his chances and blew them. He is not entitled to make you feel guilty for thinking that your needs, wishes and happiness actually matter.
Look, if you were to stay with him through his 'therapy' you would have months of him blaming you for 'not understanding' him and not being patient enough - therapy makes self-obsessed people even more selfish. Realy it would just be a case of him gaining more tools to manipulate you with.
Be calm and cheerful and carry on with your plans to end the relationship. It will all work out.

Pennytree · 28/10/2009 10:56

solid he already is saying I have to understand "I have depression" and is walking around like poor me look at what you are doing to me

On friday I am going with him to see the "head" docter
I told him I will supoort him as much as i can so said I would go as a one off

Why is this happening its not my fault yet i feel a selfish bitch for saying NO enough is enough
I feel I am carrying the world on ym shoulders
He is wearing me down and if it was`nt for the OM I would have backed down ages ago
I want time on my own with the kids to find out what I want

But today I feel like throwing my hands up and saying to H you win

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giveloveachance · 28/10/2009 11:11

your parents may have been responding out of shock - maybe they have not realized that you have been so unhappy for such a long time.

It's not what you want to hear from them, but give them time to get used to the idea and let them know just how very unhappy you are and have been, and perhaps be blunt and tell them you need their support.

I really think you need to talk to someone about this, you can go to relate on your own and they may help you separate your feelings for the OM from what's going on at home as it seems that his attention is complicating your decision making.

It seems to me that you may be feeling caught in the middle here, between your DH and the OM so you feel a lack of control. Perhaps it would be best for you to either

have the OM back off completely until you resolve your relationship with your DH

or move out even if its a very cheap temporary arrangement - or ask DH to stay with friends for a while, so you get some thinking time and a chance to calm down as the stress wont be doing anyone any good.

So, would you still want to leave if you did not have an OM?

Would you want to make it work if you did not have an OM?

Are you doubting the sincerity or the timing (ie all a bit last minute) of your DH's change of attitude?

sincitylover · 28/10/2009 11:12

Penny your situation is a bit like mine was in my marriage.

My father said something similar to me ie remember you've got two young boys - I think that said either out of fear or misguided loyalty to the institution of marriage.

My exh really didn't want sex after Ds1 - though we did conceive ds2 and I too hit rock bottom and ultimately you do end up rejected them but only after they reject you bigtime.

I used to think to myself that my behaviours were reactions to his behaviours but his behaviour was conscious - ie withdrawal of all affection and physicality.

I didn't have OM but would have had the chance arisen. And following a massive effort by me to build my self esteem up andthe sex I have had since has restored my faith in myself and men!!

You know in your gut what to do - don't let other people sway you.

SolidGhoulBrass · 28/10/2009 16:01

Penny please remember that your H is still not demonstrating any interest in your feelings or your wellbeing. He still thinks that his needs matter far more than yours. He doesn't deserve your unlimited support when he gives you nothing in return.

Pennytree · 13/02/2010 23:04

sso what is happening?

I am still in the same mess
My parents and the rest of the family have taken H side AND I NEED TO UNDERSTAND thst h has depression
it is his excuse
So I am the bitch for playing away etc etc

I am still seeing the OM
not often
BUt am

He has laid it all at my door
Wanker!!!

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Unlikelyamazonian · 13/02/2010 23:19

if you're not Carol Duffy, fuck off

Pennytree · 13/02/2010 23:23

Who is Carol Duffy??????????

Cheers for that !!!!

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BrahmsThirdRacket · 13/02/2010 23:25

I think they meant Carol Ann Duffy - she's poet laureate.

not very constructive.

I'm sorry PT. I don't have any advice, but I have a lot of sympathy.

BitOfFun · 13/02/2010 23:25

You are so unhappy in this marriage, but only you can change that. I think it's time to leave. The depression thing doesn't sound like a reason to force you into a dead-end marriage.

Pennytree · 13/02/2010 23:33

How can I????????
my parents are on his side
I have dcs He has decided to make a effort and at xmas was "wow" look at H dont fuck it up Penny

It a fucking facade
He has trapped me as changed as soon as I came back in august and said it was over
He is being so nice and has been for 6 months and he has laid it all at my door that IF I leave he can say it was`nt him!!!
We have two kids

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BitOfFun · 13/02/2010 23:44

Who gives a shit how he spins it? You can't live your life for other people- you only get one.

Pennytree · 13/02/2010 23:50

I told him that I had been with another back in August he says he understands and all that shit

last night he asked me go out for Valentine
We are in seprate rooms at the momnent
I woke up this morning to hIn getting into my bed and trying to touch my back
It felt awkward and clumsly
I have totally shut off to him
I don`t waNt him anymore in that nway and I feel so guilty
my parents know what he did last night getting the meaL BOOKED ETC ETC

sO i LAY THERE pretending to be asleep
HOW THE HELL CAN HE do this

He changed his mind
after 7 fucking years

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Pennytree · 13/02/2010 23:52

I am gutted with my parents reaction TOTALLY
But if/when i leave I want them on my side

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BitOfFun · 13/02/2010 23:59

Then you need to speak to them again and say whatever you have to say. You can say that your marriage involves far more elements than you want to have to discuss as it's very personal, but that he is by no means whiter than white and you need out and you need their support. Then just do it. If they know what side their bread's buttered on, they'll have to come round.

ItsGraceAgain · 14/02/2010 00:10

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Pennytree · 14/02/2010 00:15

I know i have to
They wont get it But if they dont they will loose
And I don^t want to blackmail them
BUT.........

I know deep down this is not my fault but then I feel it is ???
And that is doing my head in
I would make a great catholic!!

ITs H fault then he changed tack

He is now getting help and we are seeing someone together but as far as I concerned its over

But I am on my own

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ItsGraceAgain · 14/02/2010 00:15

Just seen your last, re your parents. I thought BOF's suggestion was good.

Pennytree · 14/02/2010 00:21

Grace How could you know??
I am part of that thread you posted in fact am in contact with "youknow"

omg

wHY IS HE PLAYING ME AS THE BITCH
I feel that I am

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Pennytree · 14/02/2010 00:26

OMG you know who I am
not in reality but ..........
Fuck
This is something I feel so ashamed about
My h doesnt want me in that way or didnt
So I played away and can`t handle it

I built a life on here with people that I have met in reality and now they know
NNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOO

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BitOfFun · 14/02/2010 00:32

If you just ask for Grace's post to be withdrawn as it identifies you in your usual name, I'm sure it will be fine. Don't panic.

Pennytree · 14/02/2010 00:38

No its not that
I have been on here for along time now
Different names depending what it is
This is so private which I have to say LOL
as I am posting on MN
BUT i don`t want my "real" life to know
If ya know what I mean

I have two kids to protect
But then am not helping that

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ItsGraceAgain · 14/02/2010 00:38

Bless you

As you've realised, you're supposed to feel "wrong" and have been subjected to a highly effective, slow-burning campaign to get you feeling that way. Here's something you can do about it, starting this very minute. Focus on YOU. Your kids, too, of course, but I'm sure you already do that!

What do you feel like doing tomorrow? Who do you want to talk to? How are you feeling about yourself right now? Need a haircut? Want a pedicure? What do you want to watch on TV? Don't want to go for a romantic meal with your unromantic H? Tell him.
Keep this going ... how about next week? Half term, any things YOU would really love to do with the kids, and with your friends who have kids? Keep it going ...

Next time you find yourself stressing over "him", what "he wants" (or doesn't want), or what's "annoying him" - switch your thoughts right back to yourself. Your aim is to treat your self with unconditional love Obviously, you're not a horrible person so, when DH moans about something, you can respond with sympathy: "What a shame" and "I'm sorry to hear that" should cover most occurrences. Is the ironing piling up? Sod it, as long as the DCs have clean clothes, all else is marginal DH moaning about it? Try "Oh, yes, you're right, could you do some ironing when you have a minute?"

You get the picture. You have an amazing brain, and a glorious complexity of emotions ... Take them all for yourself, he's got his own to look after

Good luck. Good luck. Take care of you, really.

ItsGraceAgain · 14/02/2010 00:40

I didn't know about the other thing. Still don't, as a matter of fact. Do I have to ask for it to be taken off?

ItsGraceAgain · 14/02/2010 00:43

Have reported myself