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Narsissistic personality disorder

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therealme · 19/07/2009 02:25

I'm English, living overseas. I'm married for 17 yrs and most of that has been pretty awful. I recently 'came clean' about my abusive relationship with dh on a parenting site where I live and I have had my eyes opened for the first time that maybe it's not all my fault anymore. I have blamed myself for everything that has 'gone wrong' in my marriage - although I have genuinly messsed up on more than one occasion.

I received a lot of support from people but didn't believe I was worthy of it. Then somebody suggested I google Narsissistic Personality Disorder and that is the moment my whole world changed. For the very fist time I began to see that maybe it wasn't ME that might have all the problems. I saw my 'perfect' dh described in black and white and the words 'personality disorder' were attached to his behaviours. To say the ground shifted from under me would be an understatement.

So now I find myself at a turning point in my life. I know I have to end my marriage. It's emotionally, verbally and mentally abusive. I now recognise that I am a shell of the person that I once was, have had the life blood drained out of me, but still have enough of a spark in me to want to fight for some peace of life at 42! I have 3 children whom I love and adore - but who also love their Daddy. I'm living financially independently from my dh who refused to support me financially after ds 2 was born 6 yrs ago. I want him out of the house and out of my life!

I've made my mind up, but I am still so weak when it comes to taking action. I have spent so long living in a confused and guilt-ridden state, does that make sense?
Is there anybody out there who has experience of living with a narsissistic partner? How do you make the break? How do you ever find the strength to stand up to them in order that you might have some quality of life left for yourself? Please advise.....

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silentcatastrophe · 09/11/2009 12:36

I can relate strongly to the Gaslighting things, and the way that these people either demonise or dip children in gold. I was thoroughly demonised, and found myself worthless and unlovable. It has taken my whole adult life to separate myself from the mess and to understand that it was not of my doing. Another brother took my place to be the family dustbin, and another brother was the Golden One. It is a bloody mess. To say that Ns destroy lives is to put it mildy!

I admire all you women who have escaped the clutches of these horrible men. You have done both yourselves and your children the greatest chances.

It is no fun growing up unable to love and believing that you are evil.

MaggieMonday · 09/11/2009 13:33

Glad to hear the party went well and that your x's relatives aren't rushing to take sides. That's really good news.

What you say about breaking the Mould; your MIL probably envies you a bit. Although envy not the same as jealousy. I think you can envy somebody and be happy for them. I bet she admires your strength. If she'd lived in a different time she could have done the same thing..

My xfil was an abusive controlling bully too and xmil told me so many horrible things that xfil did to her when they were together, and yet, seemingly, she doesn't believe a word of my 'whingeing bullshit' .

Your x's family sound a lot nicer than he is!

MaggieMonday · 09/11/2009 13:38

nicknametaken, that is classic N behaviour, I think.

My x was the same. He would be so sociapathically nasty one minute, so nasty I couldn't believe that even in his red mist, he could possibly believe that he was in the right, that he was the good person and I was the bad one..... and then if he decided to click his fingers and the bad mood be 'all forgotten' and if I couldn't DO that, he would get mad all over again.

I tried to explain the holes in the fence analogy to him. You know the one that is used to explain to children why they shouldn't say nasty things to eachotehr!! I said, each insult is like a nail, and you can say sorry and you think that takes out the nail, but the hole is still there".

It didn't penetrate. He mocked me, and said I was reading too many magazines. Whenever I came out wiht anythignt that was irrefutable logic or reason, he'd sneer "ju read that in glamour?"

NicknameTaken · 09/11/2009 15:48

Eek, Maggie, I'm scared of the label because I'm scared of the implications for his parenting of DD. He has loads of access and she is a definitely a child "dipped in gold" (brilliant phrase, silent!) But I'll just have to deal with things as they arise rather than give in to horrible imagainings.

Love the analogy of the holes in the wall - I haven't come across it and it's an excellent way of thinking about it. I could probably be used as a colander right now.

therealme · 09/11/2009 20:01

Nickname, I have just had to collect my ds, 11, early from an access visit to his Dad - for the second time. He is beginning to see through his father now. He didn't want to go the cinema this Sat with his Dad as he didn't like the film choice. His Dad reacted by making him feel guilty ("don't expect me to do anything that you want to do then...." etc) This is something I am very familiar with, if you say no, or don't want to go along with his plans, you are emotionally blackmailed and made to feel guilty.

All I can say is that, once your dd finds a voice, and a mind of her own, she may well start to experience her Dad's unreasonable behaviour for herself. You will be there to pick up the pieces, to let her know that she is not a bad person because she disagrees wih her Dad.

Tis bloody tough seeing the cycle repeated on your children. But also gratifying to know that you were right to disentangle yourself from this mess. It is a work in progress though.

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toomanystuffedbears · 10/11/2009 23:46

Hi therealme,
I'm glad you are hanging in there.
It occured to me that you might want to counsel your ds (and the others, as well) that his toxic dad doesn't represent how he should feel about men in general. (Sorry, getting this idea across is a little awkward.) Sometimes a youngster will take an experience with one person and transfer those feelings to that demographic group as a whole, iyswim.

If you ever come across a decent bloke, imho, it'd be good to point him out and explain why.

It might help to remind him that his having a toxic dad is just plain bad luck. Like it'd be bad luck for a child to be born in a war zone, for example, or born into poverty.

violet101 · 13/11/2009 13:18

I've been fascinated by you all discussing the 'child of gold' syndrome (for want of a better word)....

My 2 are 15 months apart, one is idolised by his D, the other, he once referred to as 'irritating' and has never really bonded with...

Recently the youngest said to me one night "I know that I'm your special boy and X is Daddy's". My heart broke and I didn't know what to say - I couldn't tell him that he was wrong cos he and I both knew it to be true even tho he's only 6. I just said "just know that I will always be here for you, are you ok with that"... we snuggled and he seemed fine....
but it isn't fine and it makes me so angry and sad for him.

I'd be interested to hear how you would have dealt with the situation. I beat myself up sometimes that I didn't handle it well - that I should have said "Of course Daddy loves you the same".... but I couldn't lie to him. But should I have?

NicknameTaken · 13/11/2009 14:27

Violet, I don't think you should have lied. Your child trusts you. It's very confusing to be told that what you know to be true isn't true - these are the type of mindgames that Ns play. You did the right thing by making sure that your son knows he is loved by you at least. And, as therealme says, you can let him know that his father's behaviour is not his fault. It's painful for your son, but at least he knows he can rely on his mother's love. That's profoundly important.

Monkeytrousers · 15/11/2009 14:10

As long as he has you. You just do what you can to maintain his stability - and your other childs too.

Unlikelyamazonian · 28/11/2009 15:32

Just in case some who have posted on here were wondering, this thread hasn't disappeared. In the AIBU topic some posters have said that it has...

autumnlight · 04/12/2009 09:25

What is AIBU?

NicknameTaken · 04/12/2009 09:32

AIBU is the Am I Being Unreasonable thread.

Now that this has been bumped up, how are you doing, therealme? Hopefully everything has calmed down now and you're just getting on with life.

moanyhole · 01/02/2010 16:38

bump for therealme in case she needs it (cryptic i know but i think she might find it useful atm)

Pinkfox · 01/02/2010 17:12

I didnt realise there was a title as such for people who behaved this way - I just thought my ex was from another planet or that I must be because I dont find his behaviour/actions acceptable or normal.

I have written a huge "vent" on the relationship topic "Cant see any light" - where I was told about the Narsissistic personality disorder topic.

He flips from being lovely one minute and to being stubborn and obstructive another, I just thought he had a short fuse!!

Still not sure he fits under the title of NPD, I did find his behaviour fitted the description of domestic abuse and also thought he showed signs of a split personality (depending on whether things went his way, etc).

My main worry is his parenting which is very different to mine, I dont my children to develop his way of thinking, of dealing with things and of justifying his behaviour - I dont want my DC to think it is "normal", can it be avoided though??

MaggieTaSeFuar · 01/02/2010 21:53

Yes, good thinking moanyhole. Glad to see this thread back.

MaggieTaSeFuar · 01/02/2010 21:55

PS, if you google TheRealMe, loads of totally unrelated stuff comes up, so that is good.

moanyhole · 01/02/2010 22:11

thats good to know maggietasefuar, hope she's ok.

mathanxiety · 02/02/2010 16:26

Bumping...

MaggieTaSeFuar · 02/02/2010 16:58

How are you TRM? I hope you didn't get any more crappy texts today?

therealme · 02/02/2010 23:15

Ah, back from the depths of the long lost threads!!

Thank you moanyhole for tossing me this life-raft.

Well folks, how is everyone?
I am currently in self imposed exile back home - am being cyber stalked by my ex so have had to do a vanishing act on my home forum. It's really bloody annoying actually as I was begining to use it a lot to have some light hearted banter with people that didn't involve talking about my ex. Things were moving on and I didn't need to keep posting progress reports on my original thread about my h. I was beginning to establish myself as a regular poster and not just the one who every one knew from the 'family relationships' section.

And then he found my thread

So; we were back to essay length emails and middle of the night texts with some (more) good old fashioned blackmail thrown in for good measure.
I was beginning to get a bit dragged down by it all. Having been free of his character assasinations on me for a while I had begun to lighten up, started thinking positively about myself again. The atmosphere in the house had changed, I was starting to get a feel for life without him breathing down my neck checking that I'd done everything on his 'to do' list.

Now of course, he has fresh amunition. He learned some things on my thread and it has opened up old wounds for him.
He has begun to disect our marriage once again naming all my failings as a wife. He is as subtle as ever and says things in the politest possible way (he's still under the safety order and scared of breaking it lest he finds himself on the wrong side of the law) but it is the tone of what he is saying if you get my gist? The patronising way he says "I could have kept you out of psychiatric hospital but it wasn't in your interest" and in reference to my seeking help on line " its a pattern of yours to attract help by being in distress and i stopped buying into that but i think you are doing your damsel in distress bit on line now and its working for you."

It's always those subtle hints and references to my incapabilities, how I was "unable to show affection" and how he "tried everything to get me to talk to him". Talk to him! Agree with him maybe. Listen to hour long monologues about his suffering more like. And oh how he likes to talk about his suffering "I died many times".

At first I felt dragged down by it all. Then I went back to my Lundy Bancroft! Now I'm just irritated at myself for getting sucked back in. I got a taste of that depressing black cloud I had lived under for years and years - the dread and doom that I existed under because he made me feel so shit about my life. It was a nasty little reminder.

I've told him not to text me again, that he is breaking the agreement written in court. That might be enough to put him back in his place. He can't afford to get arrested and loose his job.

He has threatened to start a thread of his own where he can delight in portraying me as his abuser. After all, I did break a plate once....

But on the whole, I am jogging along nicely. Got the maintenance increased through a court order (he didn't even turn up) and am living my life 'to do list' free. One day soon I will start making plans for me. I will choose a thing to do that will come from the real me - not something I think I ought to be doing to keep others happy.

I hope every one is well and safe? I will come back to you all whenever this thread raises its head again - unless my ex finds this one too, in which case I will emmigrate to Australia

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MaggieTaSeFuar · 02/02/2010 23:24

farkin hell TRM. glad i just caught this before i sign off.

What is he threatening to do with the new information? Tell people you had an abortion? Is that the worst he's got on you. People will think he's a knobend if he goes around trashing you...

Off to bed now, but don't bother to defend yourself to him. Pick out some annoyingly trite stock phrase, 'sorry you feel that way, it's for the best we split' and don't give him SHIT. Don't give him emotion. Nothing, not even anger.

Glad to hear your maintenance was increased!! Some good news.

Buenas noches amiga.

ItsGraceAgain · 02/02/2010 23:33

Great to hear from you Oh, I think I was just lurrrking before, so you don't know I'm hearing back ... well, anyway.

Just wanted to second MTSF. Set his emails to auto-delete, don't reply, don't engage. Sail in lofty serenity through, past and over his feeble witterings. Enjoy having your own mind! x

moanyhole · 02/02/2010 23:39

definately dont engage or reply to his emails/texts- he'll eventually get the message. is he not breaking the safety order by contacting you at all?
as for starting his own thread- he's be laughed outta town

therealme · 02/02/2010 23:48

Don't worry, I am 'sailing loftily'!!

No, he's not breaking his safety order moanyhole. There isn't any actual threat to my safety. Only my ears.

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MaggieTaSeFuar · 03/02/2010 08:47

Is it by any chance 'ro ly'?? that screen name rang a bell with me but too late iyswim.... that screen name is familiar to me. I think it has popped up on the special needs board before. Advertising summer courses in play ball and socialising for boys on the spectrum. 'he' is based in bray and has the initials GOT... quite well known in the autie world.

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