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Husband says it's over, wants custody of DD

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MollFlounders · 17/07/2009 11:12

I would really appreciate some thoughts on my situation. I've posted a few times recently about DH. There have been issues in the past but things have been particularly rocky since I went back to FT work 3 months ago (DD is now 9 months old). DH has always been quite selfish and inflexible (previous threads on this are here and here) and this has, for me, become more and more difficult to cope with since having to juggle a demanding job and of course DD. Things are at the point where counselling is required. I found a counselling group who will see us each separately and then together in a facilitated session.

So DH and I had yet another row yesterday morning. It was very trivial. I was hosting an event for some clients. DH managed to get his own last minute invitation to the same event (going as a client himself, of another host). I offered to give DH a lift in my work taxi, but on condition we operated on my timing seeing though I had to get there to meet my clients (DH is usually late to everything). DH was very pleased about the lift otherwise he was stuck with a long tube trip. We agreed, I thought, that we would leave the house asap but would absolutely be in the cab by 9am. I was up and ready, having also gotten DD up and ready for her day, by 8.30am. As it happened, my taxi arrived to collect me at 8.40am. DH had gotten up at 8am and proceeded to faff around the house getting himself ready in slow motion. I asked him a few times if it was possible to hurry things along a little as the cab was waiting downstairs with the meter ticking along. He just kept repeating in icy tones "we agreed we would leave at 9. We will leave at 9". So we left at 9.00am on the dot, with me standing around waiting for him in the meantime. In the cab, I expressed my frustration at his inflexibility and I said that I didn't feel it was normal to be so incredibly rigid. He basically said "if you want normal, you're with the wrong person. I'm not normal."

I didn't see DH again last night as he went out with a friend after the event and came home late. This morning, he was monosyllabic. I reminded him that he needed to call the counsellor for his separate session. DH said "there's no point going to a counsellor unless you tell me that your behaviour yesterday morning was totally unacceptable and will never be repeated again". Apparently I was relentless in my nagging and this is totally unacceptable and tantamount to treating him with contempt. After all, I know he hates being rushed in the mornings.

DH then asked me if I want custody (I know it's residence) of DD and I said absolutely. Asked him what he wants, he says he wants custody. She is 9 months old. We have a daily nanny but I do everything for DD outside of that. A family lawyer has told me that it seems clear that I'm the primary caregiver and that I could move out with her if the marriage ends. My main priority in all of this is DD's happiness and stability.

I guess I've got two questions. Does the situation with DH sound hopeless? I feel we're at the make or break point but I'd go through counselling if there was a chance of it working. But if he's saying counselling is pointless then can you make it work?? Other question: what do people do with residence and contact when it comes to small babies? How often would be reasonable for DH to see DD and how do you do this (e.g. him coming to my place)??

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Horton · 24/08/2009 23:21

Moll, in your situation, anyone reasonable would have been a miserable, cranky, nagging cow. That's what I think, anyway.

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MollFlounders · 24/08/2009 23:37

Thanks everyone. Ah dittany, thanks for the reminders. Yes he is very plausible, more than plausible: he's defined my reality for years. But I have to remember these things that have happened. This evening he was showing me the vulnerable side that does exist within him; but the other stuff hasn't gone away just because he has been on holidays, come home to an empty flat and is now reacting to that. I have to remember that I didn't just move out on a whim or some crazy impulse. Things were bad, really bad. I actually bought "Why Does he do that?" a while ago as I'd had some recommendations on here, I think from you and some others too. It struck a chord. I should get it off the shelf again and remind myself exactly why that was.

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MollFlounders · 24/08/2009 23:45

dittany yes I am pretty sensitive and am probably of an empathising/nurturing sort of bent. What H simultaneously loved and despised. I was talking to an old friend last week (someone I've know for nearly 20 years who is an incredibly astute judge of character) and she asked me what I thought H wanted from me. I honestly couldn't think of what the answer could be. She said that she thought that what he got from our relationship was emotional support, which I think includes almost a filling in of emotions as you say. My friend's take is that he reacted badly when that tap was turned off because I started giving that level of support to DD, DD being the truly vulnerable member of the family. She thought that H misses me, because he misses that emotional shoring up. I don't miss H at all because for me the opposite applies - I'm no longer being drained dry every day.

I would like to tune to a different station, just my own station and DD's.

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iamunreasonable · 24/08/2009 23:47

Can I just say a big YAY to moll

she is an inspiration to other women

and a big YAYYYY to all the amazing ladies who have helped her on this journey

I wish you the best of luck moll

MollFlounders · 24/08/2009 23:50

Thanks IAU. I certainly owe a lot of people on here a very big virtual drink (or the world's best box of chocolates)

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ilovemydogandmrobama · 24/08/2009 23:55

Isn't it interesting how having a baby makes one so much more intolerant to the crap factor. No time, no energy, no inclination.

MollFlounders · 25/08/2009 00:02

Yes that's so right. I was so used to accommodating it, and had gone so far outside of myself in doing so, that I honestly don't know what would have pushed me to say "no more" if it hadn't been for DD. Speaking of no energy, I'm off to bed. Thanks everyone for talking this afternoon/evening.

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Dominique07 · 25/08/2009 02:06

Hi Moll,
I have read this thread this evening and followed your progress. It must be so hard to think clearly, and to be sure that you are doing the right thing. Clearly you are now heading in the right direction, and there are loads of ppl here on Mumsnet who are supporting you.
I just want to wish you loads of luck and strength and wish the best to you and yr DD. Lots of loving vibes headed your way.

Blackduck · 25/08/2009 07:03

So this is the point where 'something good becomes something really great'? Doesn't he mean something bl**dy awful becomes something marginally more tolerable, but only because you have been worn away and essentially have given in? didn't someone mention something about the Stockhausen Sydrome before - as that is where you could end up.
Moll of course you will have doubts (unlike him) because that is what makes you human (unlike him), but you left for good and valid reasons and you KNOW that he has not and will not change. There is no benefit for him in changing, all he has to do is get you to go back to being what you were before and carry on being his prop. The tears may have been real but they were for HIMSELF not for you, you as a couple, you as a family.....
Now you have seen him keep away for a bit, keep you distance and give yourself the time to build your life and defences. Your mother is so right - he had 7 years to prove he valued you and he didn't, a weeks holiday isn't going to change all that........

warthog · 25/08/2009 07:56

what is Stockhausen Sydrome?

Blackduck · 25/08/2009 08:03

usually used about kidnap victims and how they end up identifying/sympathising with their kidnappers.. also used about victims identifying/sympathising/excusing their abusers....

warthog · 25/08/2009 08:17

ah yes!

thesouthsbelle · 25/08/2009 08:28

moll, you owe no one anything, but you and DD deserve a life you can enjoy.

there will become a day when you will be ready to tune into just you and DD on the radio as it were. you're already on the first road, it will get easier the longer you're separated.

mumof2teenboys · 25/08/2009 09:08

Moll, I've been reading your thread from the beginning but never knew what to say to you.
Firstly, you are doing so well, you are a great mum and an incredibly strong person.

From what you posted last night, I think that your ex is scared now, he can see that he has lost control of you, he can see that you are not 'hearing' him in the same way anymore.

Of course he is going to say what he thinks you want to hear, he wants to regain control, he can see that you have gained strength from somewhere and he really doesn't like that.

He will carry on saying positive things, 'this could be just what we need' etc until you agree to go back to him. Then he will revert to type, he is an abuser, plain and simple. He needs you to validate himself, he doesn't know who he is without you there. But that is his problem, not yours. You deserve to be happy and feel valued for yourself.

You have come so far in such a short timespan, you have got a family who love you and want you to be safe, you have a daughter who needs you to be happy. You have a right to be proud of yourself and the things you have done.

I think what I am trying to say is carry on being strong, you are doing so well, remember that at 4 in the morning.

I was in your position 14 years ago, I have never regretted leaving, apart from the 4 in the morning doubts! I have a partner who loves me, my children have grown up knowing that they are important and special without having to tiptoe around their father and his moods and demands.

Good luck and very unmumsnet hugs to you xxx

gettingagrip · 25/08/2009 09:24

Have a look at this ..personality disorders

and

this about traumatic bonding and abuse

and

this about traumatic bonding

There's also a good site about how abuse physically changes the brain, but I can't find it at the mo.

Will post it later

xxxxx

SolidGoldBrass · 25/08/2009 10:22

Sorry all but it's stockholm syndrome. Stockhausen was a composer (I used to call DH my little Stockhausen when he was setting off all his musical keyboard drum rhythms at once and beeping a caculator over the top).

Moll, it's been said before but your H is a classic example of how knobbers show their true colours when the first baby arrives. Partly because women are still socialised to put men first, lots of women don;t fully realise that their relationships revolve around the man getting his own way until a baby arrives and the man has to take turns and share, Decent men adjust (OK sometimes with a wobble or two) knobbers don't. They either run off and shag around or they start the sort of malarkey your tosspot H has been engaging in.
YOU ARE VERY WELL RID OF HIM>

NicknameTaken · 25/08/2009 10:51

I've no doubt he was being genuine last night when he said he believed it could be great. I like Lundy Bancroft's take on it - such men really do have this rosy vision of the future, but as soon as real life diverges from the fantasy in any way, they will be furious and it will be All Your Fault.

And apart from it being unhealthy to squeeze yourself into the Perfect Partner box, you have no possiblity of ever succeeding, no matter how hard you try. Eg. last Christmas I took X to Greece, as he said plaintively it was his lifelong dream. Some time after we were back, he got angry that we hadn't spent the holiday at home. So unless I managed to be in Greece and UK simultaneously, for it to cost nothing, and for the sun to shine every day, he reserved the right to be angry at me.

You bend yourself out of shape trying to please them, only for them to come along and criticize you for being bent out of shape.

warthog · 25/08/2009 11:37

sbg, thanks.

i thought it was too much of a coincidence.

OrangeFish · 25/08/2009 12:46

Keep strong Moll

Blackduck · 25/08/2009 13:16

whoops - thats what you get for writing posts at silly o'clock when you should really be having a lie it

MollFlounders · 25/08/2009 14:36

Thanks everyone who has posted. Sorry I haven't checked in properly today. I've been reading but have just felt so flat and tired and down that I haven't had the wherewithall to post properly. I do really appreciate reading all the support here, particularly in these low times. So thank you to all and I'll try and post some proper responses when I have a bit more energy.

In the meantime, it seems that H has just hand delivered to my work an enormous bunch of flowers- the same type of flowers he sent me when we very first met. When they were brought up to me I was really excited and was looking for a card, thinking they were from my family or a friend. Then I realised there was no card, so I rang our reception who told me they had been hand delivered.... not by a courier, but by a man who matches H's physical appearance. Aaargh.

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mumof2teenboys · 25/08/2009 14:53

He's trying to regain control, by sending flowers that have an emotional meaning to you, he is being very manipulative now.

He knows that you will be sitting looking at the flowers remembering all the good times, what you need to do is try and focus on why you left in the first place.

He knows how to get to you, he knows you so well that he knows exactly what you are thinking/feeling right now.

Much love to you, you are doing so well. Be strong xx

NicknameTaken · 25/08/2009 14:54

Oh yuck. You're going to get a lot of this love-bombing until the facade cracks and the hostility shows through.