Meet the Other Phone. Flexible and made to last.

Meet the Other Phone.
Flexible and made to last.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Relationships

Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

Husband says it's over, wants custody of DD

943 replies

MollFlounders · 17/07/2009 11:12

I would really appreciate some thoughts on my situation. I've posted a few times recently about DH. There have been issues in the past but things have been particularly rocky since I went back to FT work 3 months ago (DD is now 9 months old). DH has always been quite selfish and inflexible (previous threads on this are here and here) and this has, for me, become more and more difficult to cope with since having to juggle a demanding job and of course DD. Things are at the point where counselling is required. I found a counselling group who will see us each separately and then together in a facilitated session.

So DH and I had yet another row yesterday morning. It was very trivial. I was hosting an event for some clients. DH managed to get his own last minute invitation to the same event (going as a client himself, of another host). I offered to give DH a lift in my work taxi, but on condition we operated on my timing seeing though I had to get there to meet my clients (DH is usually late to everything). DH was very pleased about the lift otherwise he was stuck with a long tube trip. We agreed, I thought, that we would leave the house asap but would absolutely be in the cab by 9am. I was up and ready, having also gotten DD up and ready for her day, by 8.30am. As it happened, my taxi arrived to collect me at 8.40am. DH had gotten up at 8am and proceeded to faff around the house getting himself ready in slow motion. I asked him a few times if it was possible to hurry things along a little as the cab was waiting downstairs with the meter ticking along. He just kept repeating in icy tones "we agreed we would leave at 9. We will leave at 9". So we left at 9.00am on the dot, with me standing around waiting for him in the meantime. In the cab, I expressed my frustration at his inflexibility and I said that I didn't feel it was normal to be so incredibly rigid. He basically said "if you want normal, you're with the wrong person. I'm not normal."

I didn't see DH again last night as he went out with a friend after the event and came home late. This morning, he was monosyllabic. I reminded him that he needed to call the counsellor for his separate session. DH said "there's no point going to a counsellor unless you tell me that your behaviour yesterday morning was totally unacceptable and will never be repeated again". Apparently I was relentless in my nagging and this is totally unacceptable and tantamount to treating him with contempt. After all, I know he hates being rushed in the mornings.

DH then asked me if I want custody (I know it's residence) of DD and I said absolutely. Asked him what he wants, he says he wants custody. She is 9 months old. We have a daily nanny but I do everything for DD outside of that. A family lawyer has told me that it seems clear that I'm the primary caregiver and that I could move out with her if the marriage ends. My main priority in all of this is DD's happiness and stability.

I guess I've got two questions. Does the situation with DH sound hopeless? I feel we're at the make or break point but I'd go through counselling if there was a chance of it working. But if he's saying counselling is pointless then can you make it work?? Other question: what do people do with residence and contact when it comes to small babies? How often would be reasonable for DH to see DD and how do you do this (e.g. him coming to my place)??

OP posts:
thesouthsbelle · 21/08/2009 08:07

agreed moll. Don't give in and go back. you're doing so well, and have come so far.

it's sad and a shame for DD, but in the long run she will be so much happier with a warm and loving mummy by her side than a daddy who can't have any 'contact' with her because it's too hard for him. tbh most parents (in fact all I know) would put their own feelings aside to do what is best for their child, incl surpressing their own hurt to put on a happy face for their child and m,ake sure they have a nice time during the visit.

might be worth writting your H a letter (on here on in real) then burn it if in real, or just post it on here, but don't post it to him, unless you think he's reading your posts on here. might help you release a bit without reacting to him.

you're doing fab thou. are your family still with you?

ZZZenAgain · 21/08/2009 09:02

so he felt anger towards dd maybe for getting between him and you? Something like that?

If so, maybe she is better off without seeing him for the moment. If you were to make a suggestion in writing for what sounds convincingly like a reasonable arrangement and he were not to take it up, I should think you would have prepared yourself for any eventuality IYSWIM.

She is still very smalland may not really pick up on his absence all that much at this stage. However she could well pick up on negative emotions if she were to see him. Perhaps with a bit of time, he will get his emotions back under control and value meeting her more than he is able to do right now.

I felt the problem in your relationship was he wanted to be the centre of your universe (a bit like a 2year old with his mum). The whole relationship was supposed to be him as the sun and you as a satellite moving around it. Then dd was born and became the sun in your life and you were to both be satellites of her which he could not take. Now that you have removed yourself entirely from his life, he will be thrashing out in hurt/anger, at least I believe he is feeling that way. I would not like dd to be the focus of that in any noticable way.

I think given some time and work, this could still be sorted out but maybe he really is not ready for it now.

Definitely don't rise to his bait, just keep away. Does the counsellor have any advice on how to support the father-daughter relationship effectively under these conditions?

warthog · 21/08/2009 09:10

ahh he can't see her because HE'LL feel bad. never mind what she needs.

he's showing just how great a parent he is isn't he?

warthog · 21/08/2009 09:10

how are you feeling btw?

NicknameTaken · 21/08/2009 09:14

Ever true to form, isn't he? He's going to keep behaving like a wanker because he is fundamentally a wanker. A mental shrug, that's all you can do. His loss.

MollFlounders · 21/08/2009 12:08

MotheringHeights - yes, my sister's theory was that he was trying to play on my maternal guilt. It's not working!

thesouthsbelle - I was also surprised by the way he seemed to focus on the pain and difficulty for him. Quite revealing really.

ZZZen - I think you are right about the dynamic he wanted and that he does feel anger about the change brought about by DD. I don't know whether his anger/resentment is focused on DD or not (i.e. it could just be a general morass of resentment and he hasn't thought to put it on DD). But I also wonder if he is alluding to feeling resentment towards DD when he says that him seeing her may not be good for her. The email I received from him was in response to me writing to him suggesting very reasonable and open contact arrangements. So I don't think there's anything further I need to do at this stage. I'm going to talk to my counsellor about it to get her input as well. If H is in a place where he can have a healthy relationship with his daughter then I will do everything I can to foster that- I think that's in her best interests.

warthog - thanks, I'm feeling ok. Every day I spend away from living with that dynamic 24/7 gives me greater emotional distance from it, and greater stability within myself, so I can do the mental shrug as Nickname says. My family have gone away for about 10 days but will be back, and that helps too.

OP posts:
Horton · 21/08/2009 21:10

Oh dear, Moll, I think you've handled things really well but that all sounds really tough, particularly the feeling that he doesn't want to see your DD. I agree with others that it is gsme playing and designed to get you to run about trying to make it all better, as usual.

Please do CAT me if you fancy a coffee some time. No rush - whenever feels good to you. I am very often free on Saturdays as DH works then if that is any good to you.

Blackduck · 23/08/2009 09:50

Hi Moll - hows it going? Hope you are having a good weekend.....

MollFlounders · 23/08/2009 14:41

Hi Blackduck, Horton. All is well here. This has been my first weekend without my family around (although they're coming back soon) so it has been a good litmus test for me - and it has been fine. I organised a couple of small social things to do, and I've really enjoyed being able to just do them and relax. There are still a few wobbles. I woke up in the middle of the night last night and, as I guess you'd expect in that dark and quiet moment at 4am, I had various pangs about what I'd done - including how I must truly be a dreadful person to have moved out with DD, depriving H of his daughter and creating a situation that is so painful for him that he can't bear to come and see her. And then I fell asleep again and woke up in the sunshine at 7am and thought "what a load of rubbish!!". It does really hurt, though, watching her roll around happy in the sun today and wondering why her father has been content to see her just once, for an hour, in the last 3 weeks. Anyway, more counselling to come this week.... I hope everyone else is having a good weekend too, especially in those parts of the country that are getting some beautiful sunshine today.

OP posts:
MollFlounders · 23/08/2009 14:50

last 2 weeks, sorry - can't count!

OP posts:
Blackduck · 23/08/2009 22:31

Moll any thoughts in the middle of the night need to be discounted in my opinion - I do this too.... a kind of 'darkest hour is just before dawn' thing... You are not depriving him of his child, that is his choice, and you should not feel guilty at all. Make her happy and content with you. Many people are raised more than happily with one parent and if he can't step up to the mark that is his issue, not yours, don't let him push this on to you. As long as you are making access easy and readily available HIS decision (excuse/whatever) not to take it up is HIS decision, not yours. You are doing so well, I think you are a star!!

Heated · 23/08/2009 22:49

While your dd is so young and 'needy' he will probably distance himself. He's not cut out to be a parent who can give selflessly when so much is about him. When he thinks she can offer him something, he might well re-instigate contact .

Normally I'd really advocate having both parents involved in their child's upbringing but having read the thread, I'm relieved he's wimping out. I'd hate for him to practice his denigration skills on dd.

thesouthsbelle · 24/08/2009 07:50

moll - most of us wonder that of our X's - ie how can they not want to see their child, when to us all we see when we look at them is an amazing little person, who is fantastic and a little bundle of joy. Experience has taught me that XH does this when he's trying to upset/punish me, which tbh makes him more of a child than DS. XH also won't admit how amazing DS is, I think in some ways he wants to turn the clock back so for him it's easier to ignore this thing than face it iycwim.

agree your middle of the night thoughts are not to be listened to - you're not depriving H he is by acting so hard dumb by. believe me there are plenty of 'mothers' out there who wouldn't be so accommodating to the H and also use the child as a pawn, so don't give it a moments thought as that is not you at all.

MollFlounders · 24/08/2009 15:49

Help - H has just sent me a text in quite affectionate terms asking if we can meet for a quick drink after work today, saying it would be good to see me. As soon as I read it I felt like I was going down a slippery dip backwards. All the usual stuff: is he really that bad, was I really that unhappy, do I really feel this relaxed and calm living away from him, has all the bad stuff just been a figment of my imagination??

I think, at the heart of it, I'm afraid that if I see him then it will mess with my head. But if I don't see him then I'm almost conceding that I don't have confidence in myself to deal with him. I suppose I should meet him and see what he has to say, while staying true to my own sense of purpose in having pulled myself out of this.

Any ideas??

OP posts:
StayFrostysOtherSister · 24/08/2009 16:00

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

NicknameTaken · 24/08/2009 16:00
Buda · 24/08/2009 16:01

Hi Moll - I think that he thinks you don't quite mean it all and he is trying to be nice and calm and make you think he is ok really. I would recommend you text him back and say thanks but no thanks that it is not a good time. I would put off seeing him for a while a least if you can.

ilovemydogandmrobama · 24/08/2009 16:02

I wouldn't.

Not because you couldn't handle him, but rather that you say he is being affectionate. Why? He didn't sound very affectionate when you were together, so he's probably being manipulative.

I'd keep it cheery, 'sorry! Bit busy at the moment...'

dittany · 24/08/2009 16:08

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

picmaestress · 24/08/2009 16:08

Gosh, I've been away, and see that you really have come a long way in a short space of time, so a big hug and well done.
I think meeting 'for a drink' is a very bad idea, personally. If he has something to communicate to you, he can do it on your terms, preferably over the phone.
Why on earth does he want a drink with you, after you've just rejected him and after the awfulness of the last few weeks?
There is no way he's suddenly turned into an amazingly constructive, supportive nice guy, is there?
Refusing to have a drink with him does not mean you are conceding you have no confidence to 'deal' with him. It means you are protecting yourself and trying to recover from a rotten situation. I think you will find it very traumatic to meet up with him in an informal social situation.
I hate to second guess it, but having been through this crap myself, I wonder if he will just use it to drop some unpleasant bombshell or try to manipulate you. The affectionate tone of the text makes me suspicious that he is having issues accepting your final decision that it's over.

MollFlounders · 24/08/2009 16:24

Oh thanks so much, it's really amazing to know you're out there. I'm much calmer now- the text threw me into a total tailspin (and here's me thinking I'm doing fine). I just called my mum as well - she came out with some classic lines, along the lines of "he had 7 years to cherish and value you and he didn't. He had gold in his hands [thanks mum] and he wasted it. He's a f*ckwit" (she's quite robust on this topic, my mum). I'm torn between saying that I will meet him for one hour at a time and place convenient to me and agreeing with everyone who says there's nothing in it for me (except the risk of being manipulated) and it's ok to duck out of this one. I also agree with Buda and picmaestress that he is having issues accepting my decision/may not think I'm serious. The funny thing is, I decided not to wear my wedding ring to work today- I don't know what made me do it. I just took it off on a whim this morning.

OP posts:
StayFrostysOtherSister · 24/08/2009 16:28

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

BitOfFun · 24/08/2009 16:31

Yay for MrsFlounders! Don't meet him FGS. It's a terrible idea.

picmaestress · 24/08/2009 16:34

You ARE doing fine, but you have to keep up the momentum. Keep the faith, listen to your mum, and please avoid any unnecessary contact.
It's really disruptive and can put you back weeks in the 'sorting your brain out' process.
I absolutely promise that in a couple of months you will feel so differently about all of this. Keep strong. You're now in charge of everything to do with your life, and that's something to be really proud of.

MollFlounders · 24/08/2009 17:00

Ok, so everyone is going to shake their heads in dismay and despair: but.... I texted him back and said I could meet at X time and will be leaving at Y time. I'm almost certain that this is not a good idea.

I suppose I'm curious to see how he will react to arrangements on my terms (I shouldn't care) and I'm curious to test my own progress by seeing how I react to meeting with him (stupid).

Sorry - I know I'm being dumb here and I've just had some really good advice designed to stop me being an idiot.

OP posts:
Swipe left for the next trending thread