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Husband says it's over, wants custody of DD

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MollFlounders · 17/07/2009 11:12

I would really appreciate some thoughts on my situation. I've posted a few times recently about DH. There have been issues in the past but things have been particularly rocky since I went back to FT work 3 months ago (DD is now 9 months old). DH has always been quite selfish and inflexible (previous threads on this are here and here) and this has, for me, become more and more difficult to cope with since having to juggle a demanding job and of course DD. Things are at the point where counselling is required. I found a counselling group who will see us each separately and then together in a facilitated session.

So DH and I had yet another row yesterday morning. It was very trivial. I was hosting an event for some clients. DH managed to get his own last minute invitation to the same event (going as a client himself, of another host). I offered to give DH a lift in my work taxi, but on condition we operated on my timing seeing though I had to get there to meet my clients (DH is usually late to everything). DH was very pleased about the lift otherwise he was stuck with a long tube trip. We agreed, I thought, that we would leave the house asap but would absolutely be in the cab by 9am. I was up and ready, having also gotten DD up and ready for her day, by 8.30am. As it happened, my taxi arrived to collect me at 8.40am. DH had gotten up at 8am and proceeded to faff around the house getting himself ready in slow motion. I asked him a few times if it was possible to hurry things along a little as the cab was waiting downstairs with the meter ticking along. He just kept repeating in icy tones "we agreed we would leave at 9. We will leave at 9". So we left at 9.00am on the dot, with me standing around waiting for him in the meantime. In the cab, I expressed my frustration at his inflexibility and I said that I didn't feel it was normal to be so incredibly rigid. He basically said "if you want normal, you're with the wrong person. I'm not normal."

I didn't see DH again last night as he went out with a friend after the event and came home late. This morning, he was monosyllabic. I reminded him that he needed to call the counsellor for his separate session. DH said "there's no point going to a counsellor unless you tell me that your behaviour yesterday morning was totally unacceptable and will never be repeated again". Apparently I was relentless in my nagging and this is totally unacceptable and tantamount to treating him with contempt. After all, I know he hates being rushed in the mornings.

DH then asked me if I want custody (I know it's residence) of DD and I said absolutely. Asked him what he wants, he says he wants custody. She is 9 months old. We have a daily nanny but I do everything for DD outside of that. A family lawyer has told me that it seems clear that I'm the primary caregiver and that I could move out with her if the marriage ends. My main priority in all of this is DD's happiness and stability.

I guess I've got two questions. Does the situation with DH sound hopeless? I feel we're at the make or break point but I'd go through counselling if there was a chance of it working. But if he's saying counselling is pointless then can you make it work?? Other question: what do people do with residence and contact when it comes to small babies? How often would be reasonable for DH to see DD and how do you do this (e.g. him coming to my place)??

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tiredoftherain · 08/08/2009 23:47

Oh Moll, let it out. I realised how much I've been suppressing when my hair actually started to fall out last week . Now I'm crying far more and getting so angry. I'm only on here right now to distract myself from going to the spare room and screaming at him. It's gutwrenching but necessary, and hopefully the end will absolutely justify the means. Keep going.

SolidGoldBrass · 08/08/2009 23:49

You don't have to give him your new address if you leave details of how you can be contacted (ie through your solicitor or a family member). Because, without wanting to be a voice of doom here, men like him can become dangerous at this point. I have been trying to find a link to the right checklists about how risky your situation is (have a friend who works in DV prevention): basically don't allow the XH into your house. EVER. His contact with DD should be supervised and done on neutral territory. And if he does start kicking up, smashing stuff, howling, making threats etc, lg every incident with the police and stop all contact between him and DD.

therealme · 09/08/2009 00:40

Moll, like tiredoftherain I am also a few weeks in your wake of going it alone to escape my miserable marriage. I have followed your thread with great respect for how you have taken positive action to change things for you and your dd. If only I had been so pro active when my ds was a baby! Now I have 3 dc but with help from this site and rollercoaster at home I hope to break free soon.

It really is a terrifying experience to make the decision to leave and then have to carry it through. You have my utmost respect and are an example to me.

Stay with your gut instinct. Remember how it felt to be confused and lonely in your marriage. Face your fears knowing that they will make you a stronger woman because of them. Remember, 'what doesn't kill you makes you stronger.'

cestlavielife · 09/08/2009 17:54

agre strongly with sgb - contact on neutral territory and with someone else around.

i made big mistake of allowing contact in my new place as i thought i or carer could supervise, it went horribly wrong.

some many monhts later, CAFCASS recommending strongly handovers do not take place at my residence - so at least that supports this.

good luck with the move.

nje3006 · 09/08/2009 17:56

Moll I would echo SolidGoldBrass about disclosing your address. I don't know if you've already told him but if you haven't, I would think hard about this. When I was thinking of leaving I was told not to disclose my address (XH had never been violent towards me) but as SGB said, the statistics (I mentioned this in my previous thread) are not in your favour for assault after you leave.

If your solicitor is concerned about a kidnapping charge then leave your solicitors details so he can get in touch with her. If you prefer leave family details (although I know your family live abroad normally).

Once you disclose where you are, it can't be taken back. Best to err on the side of caution IMO. I never regretted not giving out my address. My XH was not violent (previously) but was emotionally unstable and my parents insisted that I register myself with the police as a potential DV victim. I hated that but I did it and the police assured me that if any call came from my number they would react immediately. So when he did assault me (not in my home) 3 months later, they were there in minutes.

Years later XH does know where I live but he's never been here and all the emotional drama has died down, I don't feel at any kind of risk. In the immediate aftermath of leaving I was at risk and became one of the statistics. It's better to be safe than sorry...

I'm so glad you have the support of your counsellor. Mine was a life saver at the time, I could stop pretending to be strong and capable as sometimes I felt I had to be with my family to stop them worrying about me.

Still thinking of you...

Lemonylemon · 10/08/2009 09:47

Moll, hope all went OK yesterday. I don't need to echo the advice you've had regarding your address.

As for crying - do it! It does help relieve some of the pressure - and you have been under an enormous amount of pressure.

Hoping that you and your daughter can now start to enjoy your new little home....

Chessiers · 10/08/2009 15:39

Hey Moll, hope the move went well and you're happy with the house.

Will be keeping an eye out for an update. How has DD coped with the upheaval of moving?

How are you feeling?

Horton · 10/08/2009 16:26

Moll, hope all is going really smoothly and you are enjoying your new home!

Horton · 10/08/2009 16:27

And, again, although I'm a little way from you, I'd be really happy to meet you for a coffee sometime if you want a friendly ear and a chat.

MollFlounders · 11/08/2009 12:09

Hi everyone just a very quick one as am at an internet cafe with my sister. All is good! The move went pretty smoothly and DD has adapted very well to her new surroundings (plus she is enjoying the non-stop grandparent and aunty attention she is getting right now). I'm doing well too. I've had my ups and downs but saw the counsellor again yesterday and that always helps me restore my sense of perspective. I'd been tying myself up in knots of guilt again, feeling that I was abandoning H and that it was my duty to stand by him even though it was making my life a total misery. Part of the reason I've been feeling guilty is that I've felt relaxed and happy and love my new home. My session with the counsellor was about how it's perfectly rational, rather than hideously selfish, to leave situations to protect yourself and your DD (protect not in a physical sense, but in a psychological and emotional sense). I am thinking of sticking this mantra on a wall somewhere as I am bound to forget it again. Anyway, I've got to dash but thank you everyone for thinking of me- it is much appreciated. I will be in touch properly once I've got my own internet back on.

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BitOfFun · 11/08/2009 12:11

< does victory dance and waves pom-poms >

Good luck, so happy for you Moll!

warthog · 11/08/2009 12:16

amazing! good for you!

gettingagrip · 11/08/2009 12:33

Hello Moll

I have been watching you and hoping that you would manage to escape.

If your H has a personality disorder, which sounds highly probable from reading all your threads, he will have a cognitive inability to actually understand what you are saying and doing.

The comment he made about you leaving suggests very strongly to me that he has this cognitive dissonance.

These people get everything the wrong way round, and throw everything round to you.

I left my Personality Disordered H over two years ago, after 23 years, and my only regret is that I didn't do it 20 years ago.

I still have to deal with him, as we have children, and this kind of mind-f**k is his stock-in-trade.

Recent examples include him and his PD father shouting at me and threatening me in front of the children, then saying to the children that they are sorry they had to witness that! As though it was me who was being nasty and unreasonable, when the only people I could see that were being obnoxious was them!

When you realise that this is what is happening it gets very easy to spot. Sometimes, still now though, I have to go away and think about what has just happened and try to get it in perspective after the event.

As I keep saying...keep strong, and you can't out-psycho a psycho.

xxxxx

Lemonylemon · 11/08/2009 13:07

Yay! Good on ya, Moll. I am so, so glad that you and your DD are enjoying life!

thesouthsbelle · 11/08/2009 18:40

good on ya, also I now live by the mantra, me & ds against the world, we don't need anyone else

Jux · 11/08/2009 19:18

[gri n]

cheerfulvicky · 11/08/2009 19:44

Moll, great stuff! You sound like you are doing well, I'm so proud of you What your counsellor says is absolutely right, so don't you forget it! Sticking it up somewhere sounds great

Do keep us posted when you have your own internet. Thanks for letting us know you are okay as well!

Wooo! [waves pompoms for Moll]

ZZZenAgain · 11/08/2009 19:47

yes Moll write down what the counsellor said or print it out and READ it first thing every morning.

Well done you! Chapeau. So glad you feel good about it so far.

Maybe it's time for a little bit of fun too so long as the gp are there to babysit and your sister is around to go out with. Take your mind off all the worry and stress and guilt etc.

spicemonster · 11/08/2009 20:49

I've just come back from a while offline and I'm so glad to read this. Big respect to you Moll, you're a really strong woman and I hope you're very proud of yourself because you absolutely should be. Your daughter is going to thank you in years to come for having the strength to do what you've done you know, she really will.

I know you've said thanks but no thanks to all offers of meeting up but I'm going to add my voice to the list - I'm a single mum in central London and would be really happy to get together if you ever fancy it.

Hang on in there - you're doing really well.

expatinscotland · 11/08/2009 20:53

Moll!

Thanks for the update!

SOOOO glad you're seeing your counsellor often and she's helping you get through this.

nje3006 · 12/08/2009 08:54

Moll so glad to hear about the peace in your home - IKWYM. It's wonderful. For me that feeling has never gone away. I have a feeling it might be the same for you.
Counselling can be such a life line, I'm glad you have that support - a time just for you where you can say anything you like, no matter how shameful (eg feelings of regret for leaving) and you don't have to worry about her thinking worse of you. Sounds like you have a good one who challenges your thinking and gets you back on track...
Still rooting for you...

NicknameTaken · 12/08/2009 12:18

congratulations, moll! You're going to love your new life!

SolidGoldBrass · 12/08/2009 14:09

Well done Moll! Yay! (cracks open champagne).

Clayhead · 13/08/2009 19:56

Hope it is all going well, Moll.

cheerfulvicky · 15/08/2009 09:16

How are you, Moll? I hope everything is going good with the counsellor and you are settling into your new home