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Husband says it's over, wants custody of DD

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MollFlounders · 17/07/2009 11:12

I would really appreciate some thoughts on my situation. I've posted a few times recently about DH. There have been issues in the past but things have been particularly rocky since I went back to FT work 3 months ago (DD is now 9 months old). DH has always been quite selfish and inflexible (previous threads on this are here and here) and this has, for me, become more and more difficult to cope with since having to juggle a demanding job and of course DD. Things are at the point where counselling is required. I found a counselling group who will see us each separately and then together in a facilitated session.

So DH and I had yet another row yesterday morning. It was very trivial. I was hosting an event for some clients. DH managed to get his own last minute invitation to the same event (going as a client himself, of another host). I offered to give DH a lift in my work taxi, but on condition we operated on my timing seeing though I had to get there to meet my clients (DH is usually late to everything). DH was very pleased about the lift otherwise he was stuck with a long tube trip. We agreed, I thought, that we would leave the house asap but would absolutely be in the cab by 9am. I was up and ready, having also gotten DD up and ready for her day, by 8.30am. As it happened, my taxi arrived to collect me at 8.40am. DH had gotten up at 8am and proceeded to faff around the house getting himself ready in slow motion. I asked him a few times if it was possible to hurry things along a little as the cab was waiting downstairs with the meter ticking along. He just kept repeating in icy tones "we agreed we would leave at 9. We will leave at 9". So we left at 9.00am on the dot, with me standing around waiting for him in the meantime. In the cab, I expressed my frustration at his inflexibility and I said that I didn't feel it was normal to be so incredibly rigid. He basically said "if you want normal, you're with the wrong person. I'm not normal."

I didn't see DH again last night as he went out with a friend after the event and came home late. This morning, he was monosyllabic. I reminded him that he needed to call the counsellor for his separate session. DH said "there's no point going to a counsellor unless you tell me that your behaviour yesterday morning was totally unacceptable and will never be repeated again". Apparently I was relentless in my nagging and this is totally unacceptable and tantamount to treating him with contempt. After all, I know he hates being rushed in the mornings.

DH then asked me if I want custody (I know it's residence) of DD and I said absolutely. Asked him what he wants, he says he wants custody. She is 9 months old. We have a daily nanny but I do everything for DD outside of that. A family lawyer has told me that it seems clear that I'm the primary caregiver and that I could move out with her if the marriage ends. My main priority in all of this is DD's happiness and stability.

I guess I've got two questions. Does the situation with DH sound hopeless? I feel we're at the make or break point but I'd go through counselling if there was a chance of it working. But if he's saying counselling is pointless then can you make it work?? Other question: what do people do with residence and contact when it comes to small babies? How often would be reasonable for DH to see DD and how do you do this (e.g. him coming to my place)??

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ilovemydogandmrobama · 07/08/2009 10:07

Wow -- how does it feel with everything being out in the open?

Is he the sort of person who will stew and react later, or is it usually an immediate sort of thing?

Erase any computer history before you go....

ZZZenAgain · 07/08/2009 10:13

I think it is natural to feel down Moll. It's grieving for the end of the idea of a happy marriage in a way. It#s what most of us want for our dc - to grow up in a stable happy home with a good father around but that's sadly not what you had.

MollFlounders · 07/08/2009 10:23

Yes that's it exactly Zzzen. Ilovemydog - it feels very strange and I feel quite numb. I said that I'd decided to move out. He said "when". I said "while you're away". He said "ok". No questions about where was I going, what about DD etc. Then, before he left, he said that he thought I should be staying to work through issues. I asked what he meant by that, and he said "well, I've always been the same, I haven't changed, so you need to decide whether you can take that". I said I needed space to consider as I felt very lost in the relationship. He said ok again and then basically left.

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expatinscotland · 07/08/2009 10:48

'Then, before he left, he said that he thought I should be staying to work through issues. I asked what he meant by that, and he said "well, I've always been the same, I haven't changed, so you need to decide whether you can take that". '

Moll, he's never ever change, because he sees no point in that. He's happy being who he is.

And I've have thought moving out would send him the message that you have decided not to take it.

But apparently not.

Why would you stay to work through issues he's completely unwilling to even acknowledge, much less work on himself?

Good luck with your counsellor and please, please ask your family for help in packing and moving.

Bet they're relieved.

Buda · 07/08/2009 10:50

Hi Moll - he is right in a way. He HAS always been the same. He hasn't changed. He won't change as he doesn't see the need. YOU have changed. Having DD has changed you. You quite rightly adore her and put her first. Her emotional needs come before yours. Her every need comes before hers. He is incapable of being like that. He doesn't see the need.

Having DD and his reactions to the changes that a child brings has made you see him in a different light. There were lots of signs before but you thought you could change him or thought you could live with it. But now with DD to consider you realise that you can't and she should be protected from it as much as possible. Living with him day to day would be bad for her. A relationship at a distance will be better. Although I suspect that he will cut contact.

cheerfulvicky · 07/08/2009 10:57

You poor thing - he's not really getting it is he? It's always so much harder when dealing with someone who doesn't want to understand.

How much more emphatic can you get than moving out? He obviously doesn't think the relationship is over. In a way, maybe that's good. It means you can walk away in dignity and get your head sorted out before he gets back and the psychological onslaught begins again. And by then of course, you will be gone.

Lean on your family, they love you and want to help you. They will help you through this, as will we of course. You're doing so well, its natural to feel glum and deflated. The joy will come later, when you and DD are settled in your new happy home together, when you have your own space, and a life that you dictate.
Good luck with the counsellor, and the move. Yu are going good, don't let idiotic H get you down. You deserve to be happy.

MollFlounders · 07/08/2009 11:34

You are all exactly right. I suppose I now have to grieve for the relationship I never had, part of which is acceptance of the fact that, in H's book, he is absolutely fine the way he is and will not change because there's no need to change. I can only stay in this relationship if I am prepared to continue the subjugation of myself and my emotional needs to him and his needs. I was able to do that when it was just me to worry about. I can't do that to DD. As ever, thanks for helping me keep my perspective here.

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ilovemydogandmrobama · 07/08/2009 11:56

By your actions you have told him you cannot tolerate his behavior. He's clutching at straws, and his last attempt to try and control you by turning it around into inferring that there is something wrong with you. I've always believed that the antithesis of love isn't hate; it's indifference. You can't hurt someone if they don't care.

So sorry for you Moll, but how fortunate you are to have such a supportive family....

SolidGoldBrass · 07/08/2009 13:03

Oh Moll, have a virtual stiff drink on me. It's all going to be fine and you have done nothing wrong, you do not deserve this tosspot.
Keep your family round you, accept the support you need, and don't be afraid. If he does start acting up (as unfortunately he almost certainly will), disengage, keep him at a distance and remember that help is there for you and every other woman escaping this sort of creep.

Jux · 07/08/2009 16:36

Does he know where you're going? I think it's probably best if he doesn't - at least for the moment.

What everyone says is true, he isn't going to change. Even with you telling him you're going his reaction is abnormal, completely self-absorbed. You can't live with that, no one can; nor can you let your daughter grow up with a parent with that attitude/mode of behaviour.

Enjoy your new place. Find yourself again, and give your dd what your mother gave you.

Clayhead · 07/08/2009 17:05

Keep strong Moll x

[passes large slice of virtual cake]

warthog · 07/08/2009 17:16

not posted before but have followed your thread.

you HAVE to change when you become a parent. you GROW UP. you cease being a child and only thinking of yourself.

you are absolutely doing the right thing. he has made the choice by saying he is not prepared to change and become a responsible parent.

stay strong - you have made the right choice.

nje3006 · 07/08/2009 20:42

Moll I'm glad that passed off without drama.

Now you're on your way.

For H to say he hasn't changed speaks volumes. If I thought I hadn't changed in 7 years, I'd wonder what was going on that I hadn't found any opportunities for growth. We all change and (hopefully) grow over time. He can't/won't do that. He's been honest with you.

I think it was Maya Angelou who said, "when people show you who they are, believe them" - that sentiment has never done me wrong. H is showing you who he is. Believe him. You are now on your way to the next stage of your life and it will be wonderful.

Yes there is grieving to do, grieving for the relationship you didn't actually have - BTDT...

You can do this with the help of everyone around you. You are a wonderful mother and your child is blessed to have you....

MollFlounders · 07/08/2009 21:29

Thanks everyone. I've gotten through today with the help of my family, counsellor and.... the odd glass of wine. Today was always going to be the worst day, the first day, still here in what was our shared home. It will be better once I've gone.

I feel galvanized for the action of packing tomorrow and I'll have my parents and sister to help me get through that. I have never taken RL support but I'm leaning on it good and proper now. It helps.

Jux - I will have to leave him a note telling him where I am as my lawyer was concerned he might to try make out some kind of kidnapping claim if I didn't. She did advise, though, that I should be quite specific that he could only visit at a time convenient for me and DD. I don't want to deprive him of access to his daughter. It will be interesting to see what he does in that regard when he returns from his trip.
It will be a very different dynamic: him having to make the effort to come and see his daughter at my home.

nje3006 - thanks so much for your original post on this thread. I was thinking about you today and feeling chagrin that I hadn't yet responded. I was really inspired by your story and I hope I can similarly turn things around in my own life. It was Maya Angelou who said that. It's a great quote. He has shown me, loud and clear. Time for me to believe him, forgive myself for not being able to be the person that can live by his rules, accept that his rules are not enough for me, and move on.

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macherie · 07/08/2009 21:50

Good on you, Moll. The worst is over now, soon you will be in your new house which you can make a cosy and peaceful home for yourself and dd.

Isn't it amazing that you have come so far in such a short time? I am full of admiration for you

nickelbabe · 08/08/2009 12:04

Moll, I've been following too and i'm so pleased that you are ready to start your new life.
wrt the kidnapping claim: wouldn't it be better to tell him he can contact you through your mum/sister? that would reduce the risk of him coming round to your house. I'm scared that once he realizes that you really have left that he will try to get at you at hte new house.

OrangeFish · 08/08/2009 12:16

I'm sure that in some time, you will look back to all this time and the only thing you will regret is not taking the step sooner.

Yesterday I was talking to a friend about how difficult I found it to take the decission to leave, particularly about being on my own with a child and a very bad salary.

It turns out to be that being on my own with DS was way easier than having exH in the scene. Now I only have one person to take care of, and it was such a reduction in my stress levels.

My income is rubbish, I need to make do with less expensive things but still, I can't think of any thing that I miss from my past.

This morning I have got a letter from my solicitor saying that despite his enormous salary (note I'm now in benefits), and him keeping our main asset, he now wants half of the house. I'm find it extremely liberating. By taking the house he has set me free, and is giving me a good few thousand pounds to re start my life somewhere else, which is what I wanted for the last 10 years. I feel so free and happy I'm weeping.

OrangeFish · 08/08/2009 12:18

The strange thing is... I have never expected that loosing my beloved house was going to make me so happy.

GeneHunt · 08/08/2009 14:36

Moll, When you leave a note, maybe mention that the contents of the note have been duplicated and sent recorded delivery too. That way you will have proof that you have been reasonable.

Have a peaceful weekend.

queenofdenial2009 · 08/08/2009 20:00

Moll, agree with the others - don't tell him where you are. You don't need to, especially if you leave a way for him to contact you. As soon as you can next week, get a solicitor - you can do this by phone, I did.

Re the kidnapping thing, I spoke to our police's DV team about my situation before I left and they put an intelligence report against our names and address. This meant if things did kick off and someone dialled 999, we'd get a quicker response. Once I'd left, I phoned them to tell them I'd left and that we were safe with a contact number. This meant they could deal with any alleged kidnapping or abduction rumours.

I've empathised with you about the nerves you've been feeling before telling him. Having done it just a few weeks ago, I know how it feels but being on the other side I know how quickly it goes. The worst thing for me was not knowing how he would respond - I thought he'd go mad. Ironically, he's been very controlled and is intimating to everyone that I've had a breakdown. Obviously my mental health must have broken down for me to leave someone as wonderful as him.

The great thing is that as soon as you're gone, you really won't care what he thinks. You will love that feeling and you deserve it.

MollFlounders · 08/08/2009 21:06

Hi everyone, just a quick post to say that I've spent all day packing and the removalists are coming at 8am tomorrow. Thanks to everyone for the latest posts. OrangeFish and queenofdenial - I hope I feel the same way you do in a few weeks. I've got a few hurdles to get over in the meantime. It's very strange seeing half the house boxed up now and (horror of horrors) my computer will be pulled out of the wall tomorrow morning so I won't be able to post for a bit. I don't feel excited right now, just drained and nervous. I will let you all know how I'm getting on as soon as I can.

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cheerfulvicky · 08/08/2009 23:00

Moll, it will be fine. Moving is inherently very stressful at the best of times, and its natural that you're feeling on edge under the circumstances. Think of it as... well, this is a bit strange but think of it as clearing up cat poo. It's unpleasant but you just hold your breath and get on with it, so as to get the yucky bit out the way as quick as possible.

You WILL look back at this time one day, when it is long in the past, and smile. Because although its hard, you are doing the right thing. For both you and your DD. And you can hold up your head and feel very good about that.

I hope your family and the counsellor are helping. You've had some sterling advice here, and I can't really add to it. But just wanted you to know that you're in my thoughts as you embark on this new phase of your life. Good luck and all the best for tomorrow. Do let us know how you are as soon as you are able to.

Remember; keep calm and carry on

tiredoftherain · 08/08/2009 23:19

Moll, I came late to this thread and have read it right through and so empathised with you. Unfortunately I think I am a few weeks behind you in a similar situation, with a very similar sounding H also. Where do these men come from? They should be branded so nobody else has to go through the misery of relationships with them.

I hope all goes well for you, and will be thinking of you. I think you're so brave, but are doing exactly the right thing. Look forward to reading an update when you're back online.

MollFlounders · 08/08/2009 23:39

Thanks cheerfulvicky and tiredoftherain. My counsellor said yesterday something along the lines of "you don't rip something like this apart and get away with it" and I now know what she means. It's a physical wrench pulling myself out of H's orbit and sitting amidst a graveyard of boxes tonight doesn't help. I've cried tonight - real, proper guttural howling. This hurts. 90% of the time I know I'm doing the right thing, but the little voice is still there asking me whether I'm making a terrible mistake and actually we could be very happy together if I could just appreciate what a great man, husband and father H really is. My family has been here all day today but I wanted some space tonight. I guess I knew the guttural howling had to come out. They're back tomorrow first thing and I'm seeing the counsellor again on Monday. One day at a time.

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MollFlounders · 08/08/2009 23:40

I forgot to say, good luck with your situation tiredoftherain.

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