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Husband says it's over, wants custody of DD

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MollFlounders · 17/07/2009 11:12

I would really appreciate some thoughts on my situation. I've posted a few times recently about DH. There have been issues in the past but things have been particularly rocky since I went back to FT work 3 months ago (DD is now 9 months old). DH has always been quite selfish and inflexible (previous threads on this are here and here) and this has, for me, become more and more difficult to cope with since having to juggle a demanding job and of course DD. Things are at the point where counselling is required. I found a counselling group who will see us each separately and then together in a facilitated session.

So DH and I had yet another row yesterday morning. It was very trivial. I was hosting an event for some clients. DH managed to get his own last minute invitation to the same event (going as a client himself, of another host). I offered to give DH a lift in my work taxi, but on condition we operated on my timing seeing though I had to get there to meet my clients (DH is usually late to everything). DH was very pleased about the lift otherwise he was stuck with a long tube trip. We agreed, I thought, that we would leave the house asap but would absolutely be in the cab by 9am. I was up and ready, having also gotten DD up and ready for her day, by 8.30am. As it happened, my taxi arrived to collect me at 8.40am. DH had gotten up at 8am and proceeded to faff around the house getting himself ready in slow motion. I asked him a few times if it was possible to hurry things along a little as the cab was waiting downstairs with the meter ticking along. He just kept repeating in icy tones "we agreed we would leave at 9. We will leave at 9". So we left at 9.00am on the dot, with me standing around waiting for him in the meantime. In the cab, I expressed my frustration at his inflexibility and I said that I didn't feel it was normal to be so incredibly rigid. He basically said "if you want normal, you're with the wrong person. I'm not normal."

I didn't see DH again last night as he went out with a friend after the event and came home late. This morning, he was monosyllabic. I reminded him that he needed to call the counsellor for his separate session. DH said "there's no point going to a counsellor unless you tell me that your behaviour yesterday morning was totally unacceptable and will never be repeated again". Apparently I was relentless in my nagging and this is totally unacceptable and tantamount to treating him with contempt. After all, I know he hates being rushed in the mornings.

DH then asked me if I want custody (I know it's residence) of DD and I said absolutely. Asked him what he wants, he says he wants custody. She is 9 months old. We have a daily nanny but I do everything for DD outside of that. A family lawyer has told me that it seems clear that I'm the primary caregiver and that I could move out with her if the marriage ends. My main priority in all of this is DD's happiness and stability.

I guess I've got two questions. Does the situation with DH sound hopeless? I feel we're at the make or break point but I'd go through counselling if there was a chance of it working. But if he's saying counselling is pointless then can you make it work?? Other question: what do people do with residence and contact when it comes to small babies? How often would be reasonable for DH to see DD and how do you do this (e.g. him coming to my place)??

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saintlydamemrsturnip · 20/07/2009 15:22

Gosh Moll. Thank goodness your Mum is here, and good news about the rent. I think you are right to get out as fast as you can. That nose stuff is one of the most awful things I've heard.

HeadFairy · 20/07/2009 15:27

Poor Moll, sounds like you've really gone through the ringer, but if it's something that's going to move you forward in a positive way then that's brilliant. Well done at being so strong, please don't be so hard on yourself. Some people can be so manipulative and devious they can whittle away at the resolve of the strongest. You haven't fallen asleep, you've been treated abominally and you've done what anyone in your situation would have done, and tried to make things good. You've been heroic in trying to make things good, and now you're at a point where you've realised you can't fix it, so now it's time to move on.

It's great you've taken the first step to get yourself a place (with a garden hopefully!). Can your parents stay a couple of weeks longer or do they have to go back on their original date?

MollFlounders · 20/07/2009 15:36

Thanks saintlydame and HeadFairy. Yes the house has a garden! Luckily my parents are retired so they're completely flexible about their dates. I have a feeling that Mum at least will stay around for longer. I don't usually ask for help from people but I have a feeling I'm going to need some RL support for a while. It's a strange feeling for me. During my session with the psychoanalyst, she asked me whether I had a history of letting people push me around or control me. In a way, that brought home the absurdity of my situation as I'm not like that at all. This came up on my nose thread too, the fact that the people I work with for example would be stunned to hear about how I've been living.

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LittleMissMummy · 20/07/2009 15:42

Hi Moll, I have been keeping up to date with this thread and just wanted to post to say I think you are being really strong and courageous. Your dh sounds like a very controlling and manipulative person, I just cant believe that story about the nose job thing - I mean trying to persuade you that you had broken your nose, thats just insane.

Its great that your parents are here, hopefully you can see them as much as possible and get the support from them that you may need.

Its obvious that your DD means everything to you and I think that you and she will both be better off away from your DH.

And it sounds like the counselling has went well so far, so hopefully that will bring you the clarity and support you want/need.

I hope things work out for you and your DD, you deserve it!

Take care

HeadFairy · 20/07/2009 15:44

That's probably how it happened Moll, you're so not used to being pushed around and controlled that you didn't recognise it immediately when it started happening. You can now get back to the REAL old Moll.

NicknameTaken · 20/07/2009 16:30

Hurray! I know this is incredibly difficult but it really is progress. Step forward into your future!

dittany · 20/07/2009 16:32

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ZZZenAgain · 20/07/2009 16:35

Well done going through with the therapy session Moll. Fingers crossed you get that house.

expatinscotland · 20/07/2009 16:59

Please let your parents help you! They love YOU as much as you love your DD. You are their DD, after all.

Please tell your work if you need to, don't think you have to hide or be secretive. You have nothing to be ashamed of!

I hope you continue seeing this counsellor, becuase you're doing your DD the world of good by it. And yourself.

expatinscotland · 20/07/2009 17:02

You know, your dad sounds like someone most people would be proud to resemble, too.

HighOnDieselAndGasoline · 20/07/2009 17:05

Well done, Moll! And terrific that your parents are there to help.

As somebody who has been through separation with a DD your daughter's age, I can tell you that you will feel a million times better once you are able to live your life again. Six months on, and I feel like a completely new woman, and have regained all my zest for life.

I know you've got a lot to get through first, but with your parents there to offer practical support, and the counsellor to talk things through with, you can do it.

ilovemydogandmrobama · 20/07/2009 17:09

Wow -- that was definitely taking back the reins!

You would be so surprised to know a lot of highly successful, professional women have been in abusive/controlling relationships.

Buda · 20/07/2009 17:39

When I read your thread about the house/garden/roof terrace, it all rang a bell. Then I read the gym thread and then this thread. All the way through I wondered if there were 2 men like your DH as I remembered your other thread about the nose job. Wasn't there also an issue about him thinking you hit him while he was asleep? He sounds incredibly cold and emotionless and controlling.

I think the absolutely best thing you can do for your mental health and that of your DD is to leave. You are extremely lucky in that it sounds like you can afford to move quite quickly without having to scrimp and save. Do it now while your parents are around to support you.

Had you seen the house before you offered on it? Good luck with it. I hope it works out.

MollFlounders · 20/07/2009 17:44

Thanks everyone. I have been in a frenzy of photocopying in the last hour or so, taking the opportunity while DH is still at work. We own a few properties together and he controls all of the finances so I am photocopying all of our bank statements, mortgages, contracts etc.

I got really close to this point when I started my hitting/nose thread 6 weeks or so ago. But I just wasn't ready. I still feel unsure as to whether all of this is because of me and if I behaved differently then things with DH would be fine. I said that to the therapist and she asked me what I would advise if my sister told me all this.... it will take a while to get my head around that. Anyway, I honestly don't think I would have started questioning things in the way that I have had it not been for Mumsnet. I know it's corny, but it's true. These are not things I felt I could just randomnly bring up even with close RL friends. If I get through this I don't know how I will thank you. And having my parents here has given me the RL stability I need to see it through this time- I hope. I'm doing things quickly before I lose my nerve and get stuck in quicksand again.

Thank you all. I will keep you posted...

ps. HeadFairy- I think you're right about me not recognising being pushed around. I still don't believe it. It will take me a while to work out why I allowed this to happen- and how I can make sure it never happens again.

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MollFlounders · 20/07/2009 17:50

Yes Buda - he is the guy that said I hit him while he was asleep. I had a little look at the house on the weekend when I was with my parents. It felt surreal at the time. I hope it works out but there seem to be a few things available. Am seeing another two tomorrow a.m.

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expatinscotland · 20/07/2009 17:55

Moll, there are many, many women on here who have been through just what you have. You are not alone.

Buda · 20/07/2009 18:00

I thought it was Moll. I think you hit the nail on the head when you said that until DD came along you were happy to go along with what he wanted but now things have changed.

I worry that these changes in you will escalate his behaviour to control you more. It probably didn't feel like control as noneof it really impinged on you consciously as, as you mentioned, you tend to go with the flow anyway. But now you have DD the balance of your relationship has changed.

Best of luck. MN is fab at times like these. There are so many knowledgeable people and unfortunately so many experienced people in this matters too.

MollFlounders · 20/07/2009 18:13

The support on here is humbling. My main challenge is to keep a lid on myself for a bit as I don't want DH to realise what I'm thinking until I'm ready to go. I can't remember if I mentioned this, but DH is going away by himself for a week early next month so my plan is to get myself completely organised (photocopying stuff, burning CDs of all the photos on our laptop, finding somewhere to live, making lists etc) so I can tell him I'm leaving shortly before he goes and then actually move while he is away. I don't think I could bear to pack up my things with him here.

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expatinscotland · 20/07/2009 18:21

I'd tell him AND move after he'd gone, tbh.

If he weren't abusive, then I'd tell him beforehand, but given how he is, he'd not have a clue till he was a million miles away and then it would be too late.

HeadFairy · 20/07/2009 18:27

Can you have someone with you when you tell him? Not that I don't think you're up to it, but he's very clever in the way he's manipulated you in the past. I would hate it if he talked you out of something you know in your heart is right.

As for not recognising the signs... sometimes it's hard when you're that close. Plus you have your dd to think of and you did what I know I'd do (can't speak for anyone else) fight to keep the relationship with her father together. After all, we did sign up for better or for worse, and you did owe it to her to try. And you did. You did her that honour, and now you're doing the best thing for her, focussing on her and her wellbeing (which of course includes your well being).

I can totally see why you felt you'd missed the signs but you didn't really because you came on here and posted things you knew weren't right.

expatinscotland · 20/07/2009 18:35

Given that he's pulled this I want custody BS, I was thinking more along the lines of not telling him till he's gone due to abduction potential.

Also, make sure you see a lawyer before you tell him or have one on retainer.

spicemonster · 20/07/2009 18:51

Hurrah for you Moll. This is a really weird thing to say to someone I've never met but I'm really proud of you. It's like the scales have fallen away from your eyes.

And I don't think that there is anything missing in you in that you got involved with him - looking back, it's easy to see the way that he gradually isolated you from people (if your parents hadn't built bridges, am I right in thinking you still would be estranged?) and chipped away at your self belief. It's always so easy in hindsight.

Your family are probably delighted to be able to help you out - I bet they've been keeping their distance since you've been with your husband and they will be only too happy to support you emotionally again. Take support. You're going to be a lone parent and you need people in your life. I'm one and I couldn't do it without my friends and family.

And lastly, please talk to someone who knows what they're talking about (other women on here or Womens Aid/Refuge) re your plans for leaving. I don't want to be melodramatic but I think it would be dangerous for you to tell him of your plans - if I were you I would just be gone when he gets back.

MollFlounders · 20/07/2009 19:08

Hmmm maybe you're right about just going while he's away. I need to think about that, talk to my family, talk to my therapist (I have a therapist? eek!) . My parents suggested they be here when I tell him, partially for the reason HeadFairy mentions and partially because I think they're a bit worried about how he'll react. However I'm worried he'll then simply blame them. Still, I suppose that doesn't matter and they certainly won't care.

When I started the hitting/nose thread I was worried about DH unilaterally trying to take DD back to Australia so I hid her passport and I've still got it. But you're right that it's something I need to think through in terms of my timing.

I spoke to a good family lawyer back at the time of the hitting thing. I spoke to her again on Friday, after DH did the I want custody BS as expat perfectly puts it. I will speak to her again tomorrow as I want to make sure she's fully up to speed.

Spicemonster - thank you. You're right that if my parents hadn't built the bridges we would still be estranged. They have been keeping their distance, mostly because they found DH's behaviour towards them quite baffling. I will need their support. It's going to be really hard when they go back to Australia, but that's not for ages yet and I know they won't leave until they know I've set myself up.

I still can't believe I'm doing this. Do you remember StarsnStripes' thread from Feb/March/April? I'm actually using her list of things to take. It seems incredible (if she's reading, then I wish her all the best and hope she's doing really well). When I was finding her list, I came across one of her posts where her H was being nice to her and she felt guilt about what she was planning and was wondering whether he was really that bad. I have that too. I've got to resist being drawn back in.

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mumblechum · 20/07/2009 19:10

Deffo don't tell him before you go.

Just go when he's away.

HeadFairy · 20/07/2009 19:12

Well you've got half of Mumsnet to witness it wasn't your parents that influenced you. You've come to this decision on your own... You're very brave, and your folks sound fantastic!

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