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DH and the housework - again. I'm so very bored of this.

160 replies

TAFKAtheUrbanDryad · 10/07/2009 11:36

I was going to post this in AIBU, but then I realised that I don't actually care if I am BU or not, and I don't think i am BU. I think I'm tired and stressed and fed up of being used as a fucking doormat.

Housework has been a constant flash point for dh and i since we've been living together. When our dc came along it only got worse because I had less time to do the cleaning/houseworky stuff because of looking after the dc. I think what it boils down to is that he has a much lower standard of "clean" than I do, and doesn't see mess that needs tidying.

So, you know, fine. I can live with doing most of the housework, especially given the fact that he has a very demanding job and I am on mat leave at the moment. But the washing up is a constant wind up for me and it feels like he's doing it on purpose, and it feels like such a deliberate lack of respect on his part.

Our evening routine used to be: dinner at 7 (when he gets home from work), bathtime for dc, I put dd to bed, he puts ds to bed. I would do washing up while he did ds' bedtime (dd goes down v easily). But ds would get so stressed out, screaming for me at bedtime, it was very upsetting for all of us. So we adjusted it to me putting both the kids to bed while he does the washing up.

All well and good you think. But no. First of all, the washing up is rarely done by the time I get downstairs after putting dc to bed. Blood pressure rise number 1. Secondly, when he does do it, he does it with such an air of resignation I feel like ramming the dishcloth up his arse and doing it myself. Thirdly, he does it so bloody poorly I have to do half of it again, and then he doesn't wipe the sides, clean the top of the cooker or put away the clean, dry dishes from the draining board so we get very creative stacking which means that things fall down and break.

So, I wrote a checklist for him, because I know that he's very tired by the time he comes to do the washing up, and might forget to do stuff which seems obvious to me. It has stuff like wiping the sides, the table, under ds' high chair on, and putting the washing up bowl away. Yet every fucking morning I come downstairs to find a bowl of stagnant greasy water in the sink and the (barely clean) dishes teetering dangerously on the draining board.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not some sort of Monica-esque clean freak. I have a fairly low standard of house-hygiene and think that germs are good for kids. But leaving stagnant water and dirty, wet dishcloths around the place - especially in this hot weather - is just vile and horrible and I AM FUCKING SICK. OF. IT.

It's not even really about the washing up anymore. It's about the fact that he seems to think it's ok to treat me as his unpaid skivvy, his unpaid childcare, his laundrymaid. Don't even get me started on the leaving pants on the bedroom floor thing. It's a basic lack of respect for me, his wife, and the mother of his children. And I have talked and talked and talked to him about it, and all I get back from him is how miserable he is in his job. How unhappy he is. How tired he is. NEWSFLASH - I'm tired, I'm stressed, I'm unhappy, at the moment I feel so shit about myself I can barely look at myself in the mirror without wanting to slash my arms open (deep, unresolved self-harm ishoos). And, yes, he probably is depressed, before any of you say it. And I have suggested countless times that he sees the GP to either sort some counselling out, or get some AD's as a stopgap measure. But he won't.

I love him very much, and when things are good (when he's off work) they're great. He is a good father (when he's not at work) and does stuff around the house (when he's not at work) - it's just that obviously 85% of the time he is at work, and I hate that he can just use that fact as an excuse for being shit.

Sorry it's such a long rant. Coming down this morning after a night of 2 screaming unhappy children (1 teething, 1 just a little shit sometimes - dh decamped to ds' room) to a pile of dirty dishes and a bowlful of greasy water was pretty much the last straw. The only reason I didn't pack my bags and pile me and the dc out of there is cause I love our house and I can't bear to leave it behind. I desperately want my marriage to work, I just don't know how.

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expatinscotland · 19/07/2009 15:48

SHE has mental health issues as well. But somehow it's okay for him to use his as a get out of life free card?

Why is it she has to buck up and carry on, but he's depressed so he gets to take the piss and it's her responsibility to keep everything running?

If that's the case, why be with him at all, it's not like he's getting himself sorted when he can't even be bothered to see the GP.

They can't afford a cleaner.

expatinscotland · 19/07/2009 15:49

She doesn't have money to hire out the help.

BonsoirAnna · 19/07/2009 15:50

She can ask social services for a home help if they both have mental health issues. She can buy a second hand dishwasher by advertising in her local classified mag.

BonsoirAnna · 19/07/2009 15:51

It is not a solution to constantly ask more of your partner if your partner has nothing more to give (for whatever reason).

expatinscotland · 19/07/2009 15:53

Getting social services involved in your life when you have mental health issues is really going to help. Oh, yah.

And he's perfectly capable of buying a dishwasher and arranging for its installation, too.

Why further enable him? I'm mega, mega depressed but you know, I'm actually glad I'm in a situation where I'm not enabled by someone else. I have to keep seeking out treatment and making an effort to try to cope with it as best as possible.

She's not doing him any favours by enabling him.

Or herself.

BonsoirAnna · 19/07/2009 15:59

Neither the OP nor her DH are in a position to enable anyone. They are both in a bad place.

I don't think you have quite understood the concept of "enabling" expat .

LuluMaman · 19/07/2009 16:00

totally agree expat

buyin a dishwasher is not going to address any underlying issues at all

BonsoirAnna · 19/07/2009 16:02

Some people just love to self-flagellate. And, apparently, to recommend self-flagellation as a life option to others...

expatinscotland · 19/07/2009 16:03

'I don't think you have quite understood the concept of "enabling" expat'

Believe it or not, Anna, there are many people on this board who are intelligent enough to grasp such concepts.

Buying a dishwasher and hiring help (that you can't afford) so an individual doesn't have to confront his self-absorbed immaturity, for example, could be construed as enabling such a person.

BonsoirAnna · 19/07/2009 16:06

No it couldn't. Taking actual, practical steps to help yourself and your family together is not enabling.

"Enabling" is doing things for others which they are entirely responsible for. Mothers ironing their sons' shirts for example, when their sons are of an age to be able to iron safely themselves.

expatinscotland · 19/07/2009 16:06

Well, I agree on that last point, Anna, regarding self-flagellation , in that I would have tolerated this 'D' H's behaviour myself anymore than I would behave in such a way.

But the poor OP!

expatinscotland · 19/07/2009 16:08

Is he not entirely responsible for picking up his dirty clothes from the floor and putting them in a washing bin, however?

expatinscotland · 19/07/2009 16:08

Sorry, meant to write that I would not have tolerated . . .

LuluMaman · 19/07/2009 16:08

but the OP has no money for dishwashers and cleaners

so what is the easy , pragmatic solution?

BonsoirAnna · 19/07/2009 16:09

Yes he is, but neither a home help nor a dishwasher will do that for him .

There is also a virtuous circle around taking care of oneself and one's home - if you live in a mess, it can be very hard to get started on being a civilised human being around the house; if it is basically clean and organised, it is a lot easier to do the basics.

BonsoirAnna · 19/07/2009 16:10

Second hand DWs are really cheap.

TAFKAtheUrbanDryad · 19/07/2009 16:42

Farkin hell - I only popped out to Homebase and it's all kicked off!

Anna - if you read the whole thread, the issue of cleaners/dishwashers is explained. In fact, we have a dishwasher, but we need somewhere to plumb it in which would require the building of an extension or the major remodelling of our kitchen! We're looking at probably upwards of £2k, so if you're offering...

As for a cleaner, again, it's not a money issue but a practical one. Unless the cleaner's going to come in every night and do the washing up and tidy the toys away it's not much help. My mum comes over once a week to help me keep on top of the laundry etc, so a cleaner would be somewhat superfluous, IMO.

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TAFKAtheUrbanDryad · 19/07/2009 16:44

Ps - I would have be a lot, lot more desperate before I got SS involved with my family.

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LuluMaman · 19/07/2009 16:49

i don;t think social services need to be involved

rookiemater · 19/07/2009 17:18

I read Annas post wrong.

I thought she meant that second hand Darling Wives were really cheap and was hinting that UrbanDryad needed to buck up her ideas...

Clearly that is not the case.

filchthemildmanneredjanitor · 19/07/2009 18:19

rookie i thought exactly the same and i was going to make a retort about sisterhood etcand then i realised she meant dishwashers!
or at least i hoped that was what she meant!

ottersRus · 19/07/2009 21:05

UD - Go to Relate.

You're mistaken about it costing you anything to email them. Phone/email and ask them about relationship counselling. And yes that does cost (I think there is a sliding scale depending on circumstances), but surely your relationship is worth paying for.

TAFKAtheUrbanDryad · 21/07/2009 15:24

Update:

Have made a Relate appointment for Thursday morning, and found childcare, but it depends on dh being able to get the time off work. Also got someone coming to look at the kitchen on Thursday morning (but later, obviously!) to quote for supplying and installing a dishwasher.

Bought dh some 5-HTP, since he refuses to go to the GP or take AD's. We both used to take these, as an alternative to AD meds and found them very useful, so hopefully it might make a difference.

I want our relationship to work, but I need to make myself feel something first. Not sure how that's going to work though.

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CarGirl · 21/07/2009 15:25

That all sounds positive, hope DH insists on the time off work!

TAFKAtheUrbanDryad · 21/07/2009 15:27

Unfortunately, it's not about whether he can insist on it or not. His position there is quite unstable, and he daren't rock the boat too much for fear of losing his job - which I understand and appreciate.

He had a day off yesterday to come to London with me for the breastfeeding picnic, and got back to work to a bollocking for not doing something yesterday! They really are a shower of cunts.

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