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DH and the housework - again. I'm so very bored of this.

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TAFKAtheUrbanDryad · 10/07/2009 11:36

I was going to post this in AIBU, but then I realised that I don't actually care if I am BU or not, and I don't think i am BU. I think I'm tired and stressed and fed up of being used as a fucking doormat.

Housework has been a constant flash point for dh and i since we've been living together. When our dc came along it only got worse because I had less time to do the cleaning/houseworky stuff because of looking after the dc. I think what it boils down to is that he has a much lower standard of "clean" than I do, and doesn't see mess that needs tidying.

So, you know, fine. I can live with doing most of the housework, especially given the fact that he has a very demanding job and I am on mat leave at the moment. But the washing up is a constant wind up for me and it feels like he's doing it on purpose, and it feels like such a deliberate lack of respect on his part.

Our evening routine used to be: dinner at 7 (when he gets home from work), bathtime for dc, I put dd to bed, he puts ds to bed. I would do washing up while he did ds' bedtime (dd goes down v easily). But ds would get so stressed out, screaming for me at bedtime, it was very upsetting for all of us. So we adjusted it to me putting both the kids to bed while he does the washing up.

All well and good you think. But no. First of all, the washing up is rarely done by the time I get downstairs after putting dc to bed. Blood pressure rise number 1. Secondly, when he does do it, he does it with such an air of resignation I feel like ramming the dishcloth up his arse and doing it myself. Thirdly, he does it so bloody poorly I have to do half of it again, and then he doesn't wipe the sides, clean the top of the cooker or put away the clean, dry dishes from the draining board so we get very creative stacking which means that things fall down and break.

So, I wrote a checklist for him, because I know that he's very tired by the time he comes to do the washing up, and might forget to do stuff which seems obvious to me. It has stuff like wiping the sides, the table, under ds' high chair on, and putting the washing up bowl away. Yet every fucking morning I come downstairs to find a bowl of stagnant greasy water in the sink and the (barely clean) dishes teetering dangerously on the draining board.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not some sort of Monica-esque clean freak. I have a fairly low standard of house-hygiene and think that germs are good for kids. But leaving stagnant water and dirty, wet dishcloths around the place - especially in this hot weather - is just vile and horrible and I AM FUCKING SICK. OF. IT.

It's not even really about the washing up anymore. It's about the fact that he seems to think it's ok to treat me as his unpaid skivvy, his unpaid childcare, his laundrymaid. Don't even get me started on the leaving pants on the bedroom floor thing. It's a basic lack of respect for me, his wife, and the mother of his children. And I have talked and talked and talked to him about it, and all I get back from him is how miserable he is in his job. How unhappy he is. How tired he is. NEWSFLASH - I'm tired, I'm stressed, I'm unhappy, at the moment I feel so shit about myself I can barely look at myself in the mirror without wanting to slash my arms open (deep, unresolved self-harm ishoos). And, yes, he probably is depressed, before any of you say it. And I have suggested countless times that he sees the GP to either sort some counselling out, or get some AD's as a stopgap measure. But he won't.

I love him very much, and when things are good (when he's off work) they're great. He is a good father (when he's not at work) and does stuff around the house (when he's not at work) - it's just that obviously 85% of the time he is at work, and I hate that he can just use that fact as an excuse for being shit.

Sorry it's such a long rant. Coming down this morning after a night of 2 screaming unhappy children (1 teething, 1 just a little shit sometimes - dh decamped to ds' room) to a pile of dirty dishes and a bowlful of greasy water was pretty much the last straw. The only reason I didn't pack my bags and pile me and the dc out of there is cause I love our house and I can't bear to leave it behind. I desperately want my marriage to work, I just don't know how.

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muffle · 11/07/2009 23:22

Oh arse sorry you said PND not PMT (you can see my own experiences coming out there) sorry again.

muffle · 11/07/2009 23:23

Re PND, I don't know the backstory with you and him re that but it certainly does sound as if he is depressed.

expatinscotland · 11/07/2009 23:25

he suggested she is depressed.

he, on the other hand, appears to be suffering from arsehole syndrome.

expatinscotland · 11/07/2009 23:25

he suggested she is depressed.

he, on the other hand, appears to be suffering from arsehole syndrome.

muffle · 11/07/2009 23:26

Yes - he may be projecting it as well. Classic from someone with depression.

TAFKAtheUrbanDryad · 11/07/2009 23:27

Well, yes, I probably do have a bit of PND - nowhere near as bad as I had it with ds, but yeah, it probably is an ishoo.

Right now all I want to do is open the front door and walk away. But I can't walk away from my children - even if ds has spent the whole evening chucking up on me!

I need to "find" myself I lost myself a few years back or perhaps I never knew who I was in the first place?

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expatinscotland · 11/07/2009 23:28

Oh, please.

She's been on about him loads of times.

He's a twat.

Depressed my arse.

He's an insult to depressed people (I've got hella PND, third time round).

TAFKAtheUrbanDryad · 11/07/2009 23:39

Oh god - i do bang on about him don't i? I've become one of those women! Arrrgh!

Seriously, I'm wondering if the only reason I'm with him is because it's easier than not being with him! And before anyone says, "Show him this thread!" - if I do that he'll be on here too and then it'll descend into another embarrassing domestic chez Urban which should really stay off t'internet!

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muffle · 11/07/2009 23:48

expat I'm not being flippant - one of the commonest symptoms of depression is acting like an utter selfish twat, blaming those around you, and refusing to admit it or seek treatment.

I do think he sounds depressed but that doesn't for a second mean it's an excuse or that UD needs to put up with it. Any more than if he was useless because of a broken ankle that he refused to get fixed.

UD - walk away but with the kids, to somewhere where you can have a break - is that possible? Or could he stay somewhere else? I'm not saying DTMFA (sorry expat ) but I do think a break might help you get a breather and then be able to talk about it.

muffle · 11/07/2009 23:51

PND is slightly different because it's more widely recognised and looked out for after childbirth and as UD says maybe she does have a slight case of it then she's not in denial.

But classic depression especially in men can really be like this.

TAFKAtheUrbanDryad · 11/07/2009 23:59

Just looking at the Related website - it's nearly £30 just to email a counsellor!

Muffle - I've been thinking about taking me and the kids away somewhere for a while, not sure where though. I've friends dotted around who need visiting but I'm not sure that in my present state I'm the best houseguest right now! Also, ds is always more of a nightmare when we're away from home - it's why i don't really do holidays, there's no holiday enjoyment to be had from being away from your comfort zone, without any coping mechanisms and none of the toddler abandonment safety devices we have at home! Plus, the money thing.

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TAFKAtheUrbanDryad · 11/07/2009 23:59

Not Related - Relate. Duh.

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hmc · 12/07/2009 00:02

Ummm - it does sound like he is rather depressed too.

TAFKAtheUrbanDryad · 12/07/2009 00:08

hmc - i have no doubt at all in my mind that he is thoroughly depressed and miserable. But if he won't help himself there's nothing i can do to make it better!

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hmc · 12/07/2009 00:10

No - but you could cut him some slack on what really is - a trivial issue (and for the record I hate dirty dishes and scummy greasy oil slicks in washing up bowls too, so I feel your pain)

hmc · 12/07/2009 00:11

And he doesn't mean it as a sleight to you... he doesn't intend to disrespect you...its just that when depressed you suffer a profound lack of motivation and become selfish.

hmc · 12/07/2009 00:12

I meant 'slight' (can spell, honest!)

TAFKAtheUrbanDryad · 12/07/2009 00:13

But I cut him so much slack on everything else - he does nothing else, around the house, with the kids, organising finances, family trips - I do it all. I ask him to do one thing, and he can't. That's not depression, that's being a knobboid.

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hmc · 12/07/2009 00:17

Well.....yeees, maybe you have a point there!

muffle · 12/07/2009 00:18

I actually think the opposite - people with depression should be told "this is an unacceptable way to behave". If you let it be an excuse for disrespectful behaviour that is a kind of enabling. You need to sort of treat them a bit like a toddler with very firm, clear boundaries. If you really are on the point of leaving then it could be that him getting treatment is a condition of you staying.

Get this book here it may really help you deal with him without you getting so upset.

dittany · 12/07/2009 00:23

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minko · 12/07/2009 00:26

So sorry to hear you sounding so down.

You need to focus on YOUR future. Work out what will make you happy, outside of all the domestic drudge. Could you go back to work? Could you take up a hobby yourself? Could you join a gym if it'll make you feel better about yourself? Having a plan helps (I find)...

dittany · 12/07/2009 00:36

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TAFKAtheUrbanDryad · 12/07/2009 00:41

dittany - i think he does respect me, yes, but he's just so utterly self-absorbed and unaware of anything other than his own problems that he just doesn't think about me or anyone else very often. Again, classic depression symptoms!

Refusing to cook/clothing in bin bags sounds like the sort of thing you would do for a teenager and I worry that if I start to treat him like that it's the summit of a slippery slope. He is not a child, or a teenager, he is an adult and a father and I expect him to behave like one!

minko - I plan to go back to work when dd is 1 but she's not even 5 months yet, so it'll be a while. I just don't have time for hobbies, and as she's still exbf'd there's a very limited amount of stuff I can do as I always have to take her with me, if I'm going to be away for more than a couple of hours.

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Alambil · 12/07/2009 00:46

Hey... you're still local, aren't you?

would you trust me to take the kids for an afternoon to give you a break? Or even a couple hours seeing as they're bf?

no worries if not, I know we've only met once!!

seriously... consider it... I've got this week before summer holidays, then Ds would have to tag along, but if there's a park or something near, that'd be ok

could you go to your mums for a few days? I dunno how things stand there.

sounds like you need some time out in the immediate future and then sort the harder / bigger stuff