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Am I right to not trust this woman......

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nikki1978 · 10/06/2009 15:08

My DH are very happily married and have been together 8 years now and have two DC. We rarely argue and we get on very well. We also have a great sex life. All in all we have a very solid relationship. DH is a very friendly guy and makes friends easily and gets involved in lots of different projects where he meets new people. He set up his own business last year which is going well and as part of it joined a local networking group. He met lots of people there but became particularly friendly with one woman who he invited out to the pub with his friends a few times. She is 15 years older than him but when he met her he said to me that she looks very good for her age and is what his friends would call a MILF. She has three kids and is divorced. I met her a couple of months after he did and she seemed nice enough if a bit of an attention whore around men (the sort who wants everyone to fancy her). She had a boyfriend at the time who was 19 years younger (they broke up a few months ago) and she is clearly into younger men. Anyway 2 months ago I came home from work early and she answered my own door to me. Wasn't bothered by this as I had told DH that I was on my way home so there was no dodgyness on his part. Apparently she comes to our house every Wednesday to help him do the reports for their networking group. This made me a little uneasy but didn't worry about it. When she went home DH told me that she has told a friend of his (one he introduced her to) that several of the people at their networking group thought they were having an affair. DH thought it was funny but I was a bit upset and asked him why they might think that. He said that he always gave her a hug hello (no biggie he does that to everyone) and they always left together and went to have coffee and gossip afterwards. I said I didn't realise they had coffee alone together every week and why hadn't he mentioned it. He said it never occured to him and it wasn't a big deal. I festered on it a bit and told him that the whole thing bothered me and was starting to worry me. He got a bit upset that I had doubted him for a bit - which I admitted I did but then decided I trusted him and was sure nothing was going on. He said he would stop seeing her for the coffees if I wanted but thought that was "a bit sad" if I wanted him to stop. I said no it was fine but I felt I should have been aware of it. Anyway that was all forgotten but since then I guess I am wary of her and notice everything she does. Like I saw an email from her where she calls him "thmelly" i.e annoying babytalk for smelly. She also says "hello gorgeous" whenever she sees him. She came round the other day (he had said to her on Facebook "fancy popping over for a brew?". I heard him answer the door and she said "hello gorgeous" then saw me and said "oh hello" as if she didn't expect me to be there. There are a few things like that which make me very wary of her....

I am probably being over dramatic but would this bother anyone else?

DH found our his mother was having an affair when he was 11 by accident and it broke his family apart. He has never really forgiven her. He has said before to me that an affair is unforgivable and you only go elsewhere if something is wrong in your relationship so you should deal with your problems or split up in his eyes.

I really, really don't think anything is going on but this woman is really starting to bother me.

AIBU?

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muffle · 10/06/2009 16:49

I'm not saying he's blameless btw - I think he's being an idiot but I doubt he's set out with intentions in the way that she has.

nikki1978 · 10/06/2009 16:50

bunch not much - what is wrong with me today.....

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Bucharest · 10/06/2009 16:53

Dittany- I didn't mean change the locks on him by "kick him into touch" I meant, sort him out I suppose....

AnyFucker · 10/06/2009 16:53

This whole situation would be concerning for me, but what would make me furious is the speculation among this networking group that they are having an affair

how fucking humiliating for you, people whispering about your marriage and DH's behaviour with her behind your back

for that alone, I would be putting my foot down very sharply and unequivocally

mrsboogie · 10/06/2009 16:57

agree with muffle we've all met one of those women whose self esteem is founded on how much everyone fancies her. The more she can get attention from other womens' blokes the better she feels about herself. They are dangerous and will cause all sorts of trouble if allowed to.

I'm sure there are plenty of blokes just the same - I have just never met one or maybe they are better at hiding it.

dittany · 10/06/2009 16:58

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HappyWoman · 10/06/2009 17:07

yes the fact that others have commented should alarm him (unless he likes the idea of course - so more alarm bells).

Also agree that any decent woman (flirt or not) would respect you and know that you may feel uncomfortable with her presence.

I flirt with my friends partner but always in front of her and she is comfortable with it - she flirts with my h too. We both know the boundaries so its ok.

wingandprayer · 10/06/2009 17:08

I agree with everyone that says she sounds like Very Bad News. You need to get him to want to put distance between them though and see her for what she is. Like someone else says, if you demand it, you become unreasonable naggy one and she can capitalise on that. She is marriage poison but he is being either very naive or a feckless bastard by pretending not to know. You decide which.

Start by pointing out that if this started at business networking thing, the chances are the other people there think he's a bit of a twat. Who would seriously give work to someone who used networking as apparent pulling opportunity and chance to have an affair? By risking his business reputation he is risking his and your livelihood.

BottySpottom · 10/06/2009 17:12

She sounds totally vile to me. Can you find out a bit more about her from friends?

LoveBeingAMummy · 10/06/2009 17:16

Just a little thought but saying everyone thinks we are having an affair is a perfect way to suggst/put it in his head/find out his thoughts...what was his response when she told him that?

abedelia · 10/06/2009 17:21

Ugh. You H (no D from me, sorry) is being an idiot. he's liking having his ego massaged - 'look, I'm good enough to have an affair with and they're all talking about me!' and is leading her on.

Worse, he's keeping secrets about going round to her house as he BLOODY KNOWS you would chop off his balls if you knew, because it is WRONG. That's how affairs start - with the secrets, more time spent confiding in each other rather than the wife and so on. Then he'll start to resent you for keeping him away from her and next you'll be welcome to the affairs support board...

I have come across plenty of women like this in my time - no female friends, just a group of men they like to have fawning over them. Is or was her mother her 'best friend' perchance? And as for the being down on affairs - 6 months before my H had his, he watched his best friend's sister suffer through one, get her husband back, then have him leave again 4 months later. The things he said about her husband don't bear repeating, but as soon as he had the chance offered to him by OW it was like he'd had a moral lobotomy. Never trust anyone 100 percent. We're all capable, so given the right circumstances we all could.

vaseofwildflowers · 10/06/2009 17:25

Have a chat with her and

1.say women are always all over your husband like a rash and would love to have him for themselves and what does she think about that?

  1. say you think he's having an affair and ask her who do you think it is?
  1. Go along to the network groups too
  1. Glam yourself up and flirt with him in front of her so much it makes her feel uncomfortable
  1. say to her in a witch like voice never to come anywhere near your dh again as you'd heard from many respected sources she was Bad News

Good luck

dollius · 10/06/2009 17:29

I wouldn't bother with her at all.

It is your relationship with your DH that matters here - sort it out with him.

ABetaDad · 10/06/2009 17:30

I have to admit if a woman started being like this with me my alarm bells would be going off all over the place.

Being friends is OK and going out with female work colleagues in a mixed group but repeatedly spending time alone together at our house. As a one off, then yes OK but I would certainly mention I was going to meet someone or they were coming to the house to DW. It just seems good manners.

TheCrackFox · 10/06/2009 17:36

I don't think the Ops Dh is naive, I think he is enjoying the attention. He also seems to want to keep the OP on her toes.

I would give him the biggest bollocking ever and nip this in the bud now.

DH and MILF are as bad as each other.

bigted · 10/06/2009 18:23

overmydeadbody I agree with you completely.

The assumptions and extrapolations being made here are a bit over the top

ToughDaddy · 10/06/2009 18:32

Niki- I am sorry to hear that this is causing you some worry.

Can I be controversial and offer a slightly different point of view. It might be an idea (or even opportunity) to focus on the state of your relationship with your DH. Please note that I am NOT attributing ANY blame to you here. What I mean, sit with him and review your relationship. Although you are both happy as far as you can tell, it may be worth putting this question to him. I would start by discussing the fundamnetals of your relationship to verify that it is order from his point of view as well. This discussion needs to be a firendly discussion showing that you both care- it will help rfesh your bonds. If he is having an affair then it should bring it home to him to stop.

I read article sometime back about journalist who had a marriage AGM with her DH to review objectives, status, finances etc. I thought this a novel idea but one worth considering.

It says a lot about your trust that you didn't straight away jump in and accuse him. I think that it is worth preserving your trust. If he did have an affair with her then the INITIAL approach that I suggested above gives him a chance to discontinue it. But also a chance for you two to deal with any underlying issues if there are any.

Then if he did have an affair with her it will clearly be up to you as to whether you decide to sack him or however you decide to deal with it.

I just think that it will be good to sure up your relationship before it is further tested by the OW. As if he is innocent and you dive in, then you might be pushing him a way a bit. Ofcourse his primary objective should be to reassure you as his wife. But as mentioned above it could be an ego driven emotional affair.

dittany · 10/06/2009 18:34

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ToughDaddy · 10/06/2009 18:41

Dittany- the journalist must have been married to an accountant/layer

But I think that it is worth reviewing things in a very subtle way, even if in your own head. Rather then just drifting. Are you spending most of your time being mean to each other? Are you spending anytime doing fun things? Reminding each other of the things that your are looking for.

But yes an AGM is a bit much.

nikki1978 · 10/06/2009 18:47

Thank you for all your responses. Toughdaddy I think your idea is a good one although I am unsure how to bring it up as we do regularly talk about how good our relationship is. I have been a bit distant with DH this evening as this whole discussion is constantly running through my head and giving me a bit of a headache at the moment with worry! Stupidly earlier (before I started this thread) I sent him a text saying that this woman had gotten the same high result as me at a quiz about him on Facebook (I know, I know it sounds childish) and it felt a bit weird to me. I guess I was just trying to subtly bring up my concerns but if I start any kind of conversation about her at the moment he will be on the defensive. I am such a twat sometimes. Nothing came out of that text but still feel like I shouldn't say anything for a couple of days.

I feel like I am waiting for her to do one more inappropriate thing so I am justified in bringing it up and I don't look jealous and possessive.

He has just gone out to some do where I am pretty cure she will be (it is a networking thing). He invited me but I had to sort the kids out so had to say no.

Very stressed right now....

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nikki1978 · 10/06/2009 18:49

Toughdaddy we are never mean or rude to each other. We just don't have that kind of relationship. We spend a lot of time together and still have fun. In fact we have done lots together in the last few months and our sex life has gotten even better. I would go as so far to say that our relationship is the best it has ever been.

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muffle · 10/06/2009 18:50

You haven't done anything wrong, and as his wife you have every right to be concerned and to want to talk it over with him. If he's defensive I would address that - "Why are you being defensive? I would like to talk about my worries and that is something we can normally support each other with - why do you feel differently about this?"

dittany · 10/06/2009 18:52

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RadioSilence · 10/06/2009 18:58

I may have remembered this completely wrongly but did you not post recently about having a threesome with your husband and another girl? Apologies if I am wrong but it occurred to me that maybe his boundaries about what is acceptable in a relationship might have blurred a bit if it was you.

This is not intended to be judgey at all- her behaviour and his is disrespectful and not to be tolerated in my view

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