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time to leave and getting cold feet....bit long please bear with me

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messymissy · 19/05/2009 09:59

tried posting this early and the site crashed! so here goes again...

Have posted on lots of threads and taken advice and inspiration and hope from many of them, then read other threads about the realities of dealing with an ex-p, access, recriminations, money and so on and it frightens me to death.

Been with dp for nearly 4 years, we have a 2y daughter. the abuse started slowly about 18 months ago (feels like a life time) with him nitt picking, complaining about everything, my appearance, the house work, and some so petty they can't be believed - too many suds in the washing up water...and so on and so on.

He then lost his temper when i shouted back and shook me so violently i fell over.

Since then there have been several other aggressive attacks, dragged me down the stairs by my ankles, tried to strangle me while dd was screaming on the bed next to me - because he said i was a liar - i had fallen asleep with dd and hadn't come down to do the ironing.

There have only been a few incidents, but the verbal/emotional abuse is every few days.

Despite trying to reason with him, he still feels that he was justified cos lots of men get wound up by the housework and if I did it all when and how he likes it, then he would not get wound up. So he thinks its my fault obviously. - backed up by his mum who thinks this is normal, that i provoked him and because one time i hit back she says i am just as bad as him.

Anyway to cut a long story short, after months of put downs and him swearing I have had enough - just on sunday he sat with dd on his lap and told me I was talking shit - i am fed up of pleading with him not to do this and trying to get him to understand just how damaging it is for a young girl to see her mum put down like this. Then last night the penny dropped - he does know, he just doesn't care, he knows it upsets me, he knows I would rather bite my tongue than argue back in front of dd so he tries harder and harder to provoke a reaction out of me.

If I do answer back he then says - see you are loosing it, you are unstable, you are neurotic etc etc

Trouble is, after months of persuasion he is actually making a bit more of an effort to play with dd and she has at last begun to want to play with him. Is it too little too late?

I have the chance to buy into a shared ownership house, many many miles away - i will be giving up all my friends and family but it will be a permanent roof over my dd's head that he cant kick us out of (there is not a week gone by that he hasn't at some point said, do what i say or leave).

I am fearful of his reaction - he is so negatively affected by his parents - when they are away on holiday he is a different person, I know they will insist on vengence - they believe an eye for an eye and he talks a lot of being punished and punishes me - for example he ignored my birthday last year as punishment cos we weren't getting on.

The police have told me to move out and not give a forwarding address. This seems so drastic.

I have this dream that if i can get him away from his parents we would be able to start a new happier life. Am i barking mad?

I know I have to leave, enough people have told me. I just don't want to have to face the reality of it.

Is it my fault? if I did all the housework, never had any dishes in the sink or ironing to do, would he be nice to me? The house is tidy, there is always washing / ironing - i dont have a tumble drier and its often hard to get things dried. I dont have as dish washer and he doesn't like me to wash up during hte day (wastes water he says) but he gets annoyed when there is a pile of it after dinner. (i do wash up during hte day)

I am grateful i am a SAHM and that he pays the bills, but the cost seems to be my soul.

I want to be able to love him without bracing myself for the next barbed sarcastic comment. He said that he wants a loving woman - i said i used to be before you hurt me and shout and swear at me.

OP posts:
wildandfree · 19/05/2009 10:15

Oh gosh poor you!!! He has a serious personality disorder. Your personal safety and that of your child is paramount. I would try to get all the support you possibly can - relate, counsellor, GP, friends. Your health and that of your child is being damaged by this situation. If you can get as many third party people behind you, you will feel stronger about making a move that will protect you and your child.

mrsboogie · 19/05/2009 10:45

Oh my god. He is irrevocably damaged. Get the hell out. Do what the police said. The police are even telling you this for god's sake. It started after you had your DD - when you would find it harder to leave. Slowly but surely he is getting worse and more dangerous. And if he has no interest in the child you don't even have that old chestnut of him being a good dad.

Get out get out get out. Save yourself and your daughter form a nightmare life while you have the chance.

cherryblossoms · 19/05/2009 10:50

Everything MrsBoogie said.

The fact you are even "weighing up" staying in this situation says he has succeeded in messing with your head.

Your post is deeply, deeply worrying.

Buy the house, move, don't leave a forwarding address.

As others will say, plan secretly, do it quickly. He sounds dangerous and men like that are at their most dangerous when you try to leave.

wannabe10 · 19/05/2009 10:54

I just wanted to say you gave me some great advice and I wnated the chance to help back...

However much you might think your child is not affected by your situation she will be. I am the product of a similar situation. I actively avoid confrontation, have been in abusive relationships etc. GET OUT!!! I wish my mother had instead of thinking she was doing the right thing and keeping her family together.

You are a strong lady just have the strength to see this through. You know its the right thing and you will be ok. And more importantly so will your daughter.

He won't change and you are a loving woman. My mum is now with a normal loving man but I know she is whistful about the years she missed out on.... Don't make the same mistake.

BunnyAndJoon · 19/05/2009 10:58

Please don't think you can fix him or wish for a relationship he can't give you.

I don't know if you have already but please call Women's Aid for advice as well. They will second what the police said.

And please please get your DD away from this situation.

You sound strong and lovely and you can do this

mrsboogie · 19/05/2009 11:20

It's me again. Your post has left me genuinely worried for you. Trying to strangle you over some ironing? He sounds very very scary and dangerous. I don't want to sound melodramatic but when you leave please make it quick and cover your tracks. Also, if you do leave and you are still in contact with him you must never be alone with him. The time when you leave is the most dangerous time and when these types of men turn murderous.

Please do speak to all the agencies who can help you. Its not just about getting away its about staying safe when you have escaped.

cestlavielife · 19/05/2009 11:46

same script here - "you are full of sh%t" said infront of children...

it is not your fault.

it his fault. he chooses to behave that way. you cant change him, but you can take action to amke your life and your dd life better.

yes you need to leave - and be safe , for you for your daughter.

sounds like his parents will look after him - he wont be your problem any more - but he likely wont give up easily.

you will need to be prepared to go "no contact" - no texts, no phone calls, etc...and only liaise thru solicitors re: contact with you daughter, at least for a while. and try for supervised contact as he will be angry...

but your life will be so much better, believe me.

MmeLindt · 19/05/2009 11:51

I am such a bad housewife. My DH works and I am a SAHM and sometimes he even does the washing and ironing at the weekend because I have been for coffee with a friend or spent too much time on MN.

My DH and I do argue about it, and I am trying to improve (and am improving, which he is very happy about).

He has NEVER EVER used my shitey housewifey skills as an excuse to hit/punish/emotionally abuse me.

Your H is a nasty bully. He will treat your DD the same way in a few years, or she will learn to treat you that way.

MmeLindt · 19/05/2009 11:54

Oops, pressed post too soon.

Buy your house. Get your things together and leave. You sound so strong, you will cope with this and offer your DD a much better, more stable and loving home on your own.

mrsboogie · 19/05/2009 11:59

mmelindt is correct, anyway if it wasn't about the housework it would be something else. The housework is just a means of controlling and subjugating you, keeping you down and giving him opoortunities to punish you. If your house was pristine 24/7 he would be picking on you for some other reason.

And, yes your daughter will be treated the same way - especially since she is a girl it will be housework and general domestic slavery. If you remain there will be two of you dancing to his tune and living in fear.

AnyFucker · 19/05/2009 13:39

this thread has made me cry with shock

please, please take the good advice you have been given and get you and your daughter safe

get someone in RL to help you move and do it quick in one fell swoop when he is not there

fgs, don't tell him when you do it

I fear he will seriously hurt you or your dd

junglist1 · 19/05/2009 13:58

Oh my god, there is nothing you could ever do to please this bastard. My P is abusive in the same way you describe, apart from strangling, which must have been fucking terrifying. This "man" is dangerous, abusive men who strangle are capable of EXTREME violence, especially if you try to leave. Buy your house, for GODS SAKE don't let him know beforehand. If you have pets leave them in foster care or an animal shelter (this is one of my excuses for not going, among others, he doesn't threaten them but still). Don't allow him near your child, don't allow his "parents" contact. They are poison. Get evidence such as photos if you can, record on your mobile next time he kicks off (be careful though). I hope he gets everything coming to him, hopefully by a 6 foot 20 stone boxer.

NotPlayingAnyMore · 19/05/2009 14:12

"There have only been a few incidents, but the verbal/emotional abuse is every few days."
It's not the amount which matters: even once is once too much.

"i will be giving up all my friends and family"
No you won't. Distance will never be a barrier to real friends.

"I have this dream that if i can get him away from his parents we would be able to start a new happier life."
His parents are vile, but HE is responsible for HIS own behaviour - NOT them.

"Is it my fault? if I did all the housework, never had any dishes in the sink or ironing to do, would he be nice to me?"
No. As he finds too many suds in the washing up bowl unacceptable (!), he will always find fault no matter what you do.

Work on the dream you have of you and DD getting out instead.

messymissy · 19/05/2009 15:22

thanks - sorry had to go out with DD, just got back and she is sleeping.

your replies made me cry too.

it all seems so normal, its only when I tell someone and see their reaction i really realise how awful it all is.

He hasn't been violent since January, but I think that is because he knows I will call the police and press charges.

He says he is trying and its me who isnt. I have given up.

He is so convincing to other people, the full charm offensive when his friends / family are around that I dont think they would ever believe me. One of his friends does - he has seen dp verbally loose it with his brother.

At DD's party a few weeks ago he was on full fine form, convincing the other mums how wonderful he was, till i pointed out he was wonderful with everyone elses child but only went near dd when she was busy eating cake as he knew she would tell him to go away.

Solicitor says I HAVE to allow him access to DD - his attacks on me are nothing to do with her apparently. And, if he wants to bring his parents along, he can.

I know I have to leave. That we are caught in the circle of abuse that I have read about on other threads, that its probably the lull before the next storm. But i agree, he has messed with my head, i can;t think straight. I still think there is a nice man under all that, and the weight of his parents personalities and expectations pushes him down a road he should not be on.

Hope to exchange on the house soon. Going to be very difficult to move out without him knowing, can;'t pack before hand.

Just dont know how I will cope and what do i say to DD in the future? - i know i should worry about one step at a time.

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messymissy · 19/05/2009 15:35

I have rang womens aid - a few months ago. they were great and did say something that has haunted me ever since.

  • doesn't matter if he never hurts you again, you are now fearful of him, once you have learnt to fear someone then its very difficult to trust them ever again.

I have told the GP, seen a counsellor there, seen relate (just once as still on the waiting list for appointments!) called the police - just once, and their liaison officer has been calling me weekly. There is a drop in centre to go to as well, but havent yet summoned up the courage to go. Not comfortable wearing this victim tag.

Thanks wannabe for the vote of confidence, i sure need it.

I hate all this subterfuge, having to do everything in secret and I will feel like a heel leaving without telling him, and he will make the most of it i am sure.

Going to see my solicitor again soon to get guidance on what he can do once i#ve gone.

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mrsboogie · 19/05/2009 15:44

This is why you need to the Women's Aid people. You could maybe stay in a refuge until your new home is sorted. They will know that men like him are at their most dangerous when they realise that they have failed to control you. They will also be able to tell you about access etc.

If I was you he would never see me or the child again. I know that it is not the done thing to say that but he sounds very dangerous. Whatever you do - it will not be too drastic I promise you.

Please don't be in any doubt that his behaviour is extremely bad. I have read some awful stories of violence but your description of his behaviour is one of the most frightening things I have read. Too many suds in the sink - it's crazy and it can only get worse.

He doesn't sound like one of those blokes who goes down the pub and comes home drunk and smacks his wife about all the time- its a different kind of vioence, he is more controlled and possibly more dangerous for that. He only needs to use it now and then because he exerts such a high level of control on a day to day basis. But there will,as you say, always be another storm coming.

mrsboogie · 19/05/2009 15:46

sorry x posts. Sounds like you are doing all the right things.

Don't worry about how it looks to do a vanishing act - you are doing this to protect your child and keep her mother safe!

messymissy · 19/05/2009 15:57

Thanks mrsboogie.

He doesn't drink, two beers go to his head, so he tends to steer clear, altho he has had the odd pint at home watching tv.

I think it is all about control, he calls me insolent and if I say things like, can you please not swear, i dont do it, he just says i am being holier than thou and i should forgive him.

His pettiness I know will one day make me laugh. At relate, the counsellor asked what did i do that annoyed him / wound him up? he went into great length about me not putting the hot chocolate back in the cupboard after i had made a drink and not tightening the lid on the peanut butter jar properly. She nearly gagged!

OP posts:
messymissy · 19/05/2009 15:59

I think i will ring womens aid again, to get their advice now i am this far down the moving out road. thanks.

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ObsidianBlackbirdMcNight · 19/05/2009 16:04

Oh bless you
your OP was so sad. This man is horrible. He will never be nice, kind, sweet or supportive. It's not his parents' fault it's his. He will never ever change. You must leave, your DD will grow up destroyed by witnessing this man's behaviour to you.

It's not your fault. You are not obliged to do the housework to anyonme's standards, that does not make you a good woman/loveable/worthy. You will never be good enough for him, he will always criticise you.

Get out, get out now.

RealityIsMyOnlyDelusion · 19/05/2009 16:05

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MmeLindt · 19/05/2009 16:28

I am glad that you are getting a lot of support, that is great that the police are calling to see if you are ok. And that other people are seeing him for what he is.

Don't feel sorry for him. There are lots of people who were brought up by absolute nutters, abusive terrible parents who grow up determined to break out of the spiral. Some of the best, most loving and caring parents that I know were victims of abuse as children.

It is his responibility to behave like a man.

DesperateHousewifeToo · 19/05/2009 17:18

You are only a 'victim' for as long as you stay there with him.

Please also get some advice om how to leave and remain hidden from him. I'm sure women's aid can help with this.

Good luck

x

junglist1 · 19/05/2009 17:42

Your solicitor doesn't get it. I've never been down this route but how the hell is this "man" and his toxic parents (who are at fault, they are not only enabling but encouraging him)supposed to be safe around your child???!!!! Ask women's aid for advice on this also, a "man" who strangles his partner isn't in control of himself and can't be trusted. Ask them to recommend solicitors who have dealt with abuse cases before. It just goes to show abuse needs to be tackled at society level, from parents to solicitors to courts.

junglist1 · 19/05/2009 17:45

Not meaning it's just his parents fault though, he is choosing to treat you like this.

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