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time to leave and getting cold feet....bit long please bear with me

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messymissy · 19/05/2009 09:59

tried posting this early and the site crashed! so here goes again...

Have posted on lots of threads and taken advice and inspiration and hope from many of them, then read other threads about the realities of dealing with an ex-p, access, recriminations, money and so on and it frightens me to death.

Been with dp for nearly 4 years, we have a 2y daughter. the abuse started slowly about 18 months ago (feels like a life time) with him nitt picking, complaining about everything, my appearance, the house work, and some so petty they can't be believed - too many suds in the washing up water...and so on and so on.

He then lost his temper when i shouted back and shook me so violently i fell over.

Since then there have been several other aggressive attacks, dragged me down the stairs by my ankles, tried to strangle me while dd was screaming on the bed next to me - because he said i was a liar - i had fallen asleep with dd and hadn't come down to do the ironing.

There have only been a few incidents, but the verbal/emotional abuse is every few days.

Despite trying to reason with him, he still feels that he was justified cos lots of men get wound up by the housework and if I did it all when and how he likes it, then he would not get wound up. So he thinks its my fault obviously. - backed up by his mum who thinks this is normal, that i provoked him and because one time i hit back she says i am just as bad as him.

Anyway to cut a long story short, after months of put downs and him swearing I have had enough - just on sunday he sat with dd on his lap and told me I was talking shit - i am fed up of pleading with him not to do this and trying to get him to understand just how damaging it is for a young girl to see her mum put down like this. Then last night the penny dropped - he does know, he just doesn't care, he knows it upsets me, he knows I would rather bite my tongue than argue back in front of dd so he tries harder and harder to provoke a reaction out of me.

If I do answer back he then says - see you are loosing it, you are unstable, you are neurotic etc etc

Trouble is, after months of persuasion he is actually making a bit more of an effort to play with dd and she has at last begun to want to play with him. Is it too little too late?

I have the chance to buy into a shared ownership house, many many miles away - i will be giving up all my friends and family but it will be a permanent roof over my dd's head that he cant kick us out of (there is not a week gone by that he hasn't at some point said, do what i say or leave).

I am fearful of his reaction - he is so negatively affected by his parents - when they are away on holiday he is a different person, I know they will insist on vengence - they believe an eye for an eye and he talks a lot of being punished and punishes me - for example he ignored my birthday last year as punishment cos we weren't getting on.

The police have told me to move out and not give a forwarding address. This seems so drastic.

I have this dream that if i can get him away from his parents we would be able to start a new happier life. Am i barking mad?

I know I have to leave, enough people have told me. I just don't want to have to face the reality of it.

Is it my fault? if I did all the housework, never had any dishes in the sink or ironing to do, would he be nice to me? The house is tidy, there is always washing / ironing - i dont have a tumble drier and its often hard to get things dried. I dont have as dish washer and he doesn't like me to wash up during hte day (wastes water he says) but he gets annoyed when there is a pile of it after dinner. (i do wash up during hte day)

I am grateful i am a SAHM and that he pays the bills, but the cost seems to be my soul.

I want to be able to love him without bracing myself for the next barbed sarcastic comment. He said that he wants a loving woman - i said i used to be before you hurt me and shout and swear at me.

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messymissy · 04/11/2009 17:41

basically moving out of large town to deepest cheapest countryside but still long way away from friends and family. Relate think this is a great idea as it will limit dps opportunities to come visit - as his reaction is not really predictable at the moment.

I think he will play the poor hard done by down trodden abandoned husband routine but relate (and others) think he could get agressive.

Rang around several removers for quotes. Cried - feeling terrible.

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IneedacleanerIamalazyslattern · 04/11/2009 20:22

My ex did all the I will change etc.
Even went to the dr's got put on anti depressants and got referred for counciling.
Kept saying that he was doing ti for me only doing it to keep me.
For me it was too little too late i'd been trying/begging him to get help and face that fact that there was a problem for years and he never did so why would this be any different he's made me a million promises over the years when I had given him ultimatums but as in the end I never ever left he never ever botherd.
And you know what missy nothing was different this time either, this time I did leave and ok he paid lip service to it went to the dr but it lasted ooohh maybe a fortnight if i'm feeling generous to him and he went back to his old ways again.

Your allowed to cry you're allowed to feel scared but you can do this.
I was always scared to ask for help too and I think like you say it makes you feel even more out of control but this is possibly the reason that people are maybe not seeing how bad it is living with this man as you so often do put a brave face on it and stay cheerful when you're with them. I don't think for one second that they don't believe you I just think they are trying to compute it in their head when usually to them you seem so together and happy.

stressed2007 · 04/11/2009 21:35

Rang around several removers for quotes. Cried - feeling terrible.

was this due to size of quotes or unrelated? Can't you use a man with a van type person?

poshsinglemum · 04/11/2009 22:22

His excuses are shit.

Not all men do get worked up about housework then knock their women about.

Some men actually get off their fat arses and help their ladies with the housework intead of treating them like slaves.

Being a single mum is great. You will have to grieve your idea of the nuclear family being the ''perfect'' family but you will be soooo liberated when you realise you can go it alone!

Awhowcutewhentheysleep · 04/11/2009 23:28

Babe GET OUT NOW!!!

It only gets worse.I never lived with my ex and we have a nearly 2 yr old now. He bahaved the same way. Never hit after i was pregnant but battered me before. Snapped a metal towel rail by ramming my head through it. Had to hid for 2 weeks cos of bruises after a beating. Does your DD need to see this.

My ex uses our DD as weapon. Doesn't want her, then does but only with me.

Council will get you out especially if police involved. Police can even move you same with womans refuge. Please get out.Don't let you and your daughter be a statistic. She needs to see a strong mummy who is loved and respected.

If he flips over washing upbubbles and beats you or chokes you what will it take to put you in hospital or worse. Please get out as soon aspossible.

Can you goto your parents? A friends?

I hope you are okay and safe now

xxxx

loupiots · 05/11/2009 08:49

Good morning, MM - how are you?

Well done for ringing round and getting quotes - did you book someboday?

When is he coming back? You don't want to be caught out, it will be much harder with him under your feet and trying to undermine you and make you think that he is the victim and mess with your head.

I know he's being ~reasonable~ on the phone at the moment, but don't depend on that.
You've got your house and that's a great step. Are you feeling a bit overwhelmed by how much there is to do? Just break it down, step by step.

Chin up, girl. Nearly there.

messymissy · 05/11/2009 11:16

hi thanks all.

loupiots, yes booked someone just now. he is not back till next week so moving before then, as I think its easier for DD and me not to see him as he is very good at making me feel responsible for his sadness.

Yes I am feel very overwhelmed it seems such a lot to do and such a massive step. My head tells me I have no rational alternative, I know we cant carry on as we are and even if he gets help I dont know if I am strong enough to ride the storm of counselling with him. I would like to be, I would like to help him but i just don't think i am up to it and I cant bear any more scenes.

Yes DD has seen and heard far too much. She doesnt remember the physical assaults as they were a long time ago, but she is very sensitive to the tension and wary of his moods as am I and it is just so exhausting.

He has been sending nice concerned texts - signing each with an x...... not too sure why, expect its because he is away with friends and I am sure they are his audience, oh look what nice messages I send to mm and then he can look all shocked and hurt and say omg she left me!!

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messymissy · 05/11/2009 11:58

off out now for bit - we both need some fresh air and got to go buy some things for the new house.

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messymissy · 05/11/2009 12:38

just had call that put the kibosh on some of my plans, so hastily re-arranging. Thought i got it all sorted so now feeling deflated.

want a fairy godmother to come in and sort it all for me!!!!!

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messymissy · 05/11/2009 12:39

or...win the lottery so I dont have to take anything at all just replace it all!

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NicknameTaken · 05/11/2009 12:49

You can do it, messymissy! If it's too hard to move stuff, you can walk out with a couple of suitcases. I did. Household good and clothes are easier to replace than your sanity! I'm not sure which part of your plans have fallen though, but unless you've been afflicted with instant paraplegia, nothing needs to stop you (and not even then!) If it's the accommodation thing, go to a refuge - really, they're not that bad.

You're so close - you can do take this last hard step. Really, you're nearly there.

Awhowcutewhentheysleep · 05/11/2009 14:38

Just read your messages and some replies. Got halfway through and had to add something.

Solicitor saying you have to give access. No you don't. Violent men do attack kids to get at mum look at cases in news of dad's killing them to get tomum.

They can advise you and you can refuse. Even if a court tells you that he can have access you can stillrefuse. They won't imprison you for it. Its why "fathers for justice" is about (that makes me laugh where is our justice.

You need to move and fast. You need to change everything. New phone, untraceable and leave no forwarding address. If you have already reported him to the police and they have advised you it will be recorded as an incident. Thats evidence especially if they have told you to get out.

Do it please...I'm terrified for you. He won't stop til you're a shadow of your former self and have no fight left. Then you'll be completely in his power.

My ex used toplay with other peopleskids and not mine or his own cos he knew it upset me that he could be solovely with them and not my DD's

He can be stopped and it doesn't sound like he is even interested in his DD just his power over you.

You're all your DD has and you need to protect her from him. GET OUT ASAP!!!!

Thinking of you always

Sending love and hugs

xxx

Awhowcutewhentheysleep · 05/11/2009 14:41

What has fallen through? Can we help in anyway?

When you get to new place you need to make afriend there quickly. I did and never looked back. She protects me and helpsme stay strong. xx

stressed2007 · 05/11/2009 16:31

Please let us know what has happened

Awhowcutewhentheysleep · 05/11/2009 17:53

Are youokay? You're very quiet?

xx

messymissy · 06/11/2009 10:53

hello - thanks awsocute and stressed its so nice to know that there are other mums out there rooting for us.

been busy, had another removal firm in today who are a bit cheaper and will do more so going to instruct them. And my friend has very kindly volunteered to take a day off work to look after DD while the removal men are here.

Got lots still to do, and had an emotional wobble this morning, the removal guy was so sweet and kept asking me was I ok 'cos you look stressed' I nearly burst into tears, so nice to have a man be genuinely concerned and he was a stranger FGS!

Cant stop shaking but the thought of spending Christmas with DD in my own little house is lovely and is keeping me going.

She asked for Daddy this morning - taken 3 days for her to ask! but before I could reply she went - no talking daddy, no daddy stop talking.

Luckily I do know someone already in the area as we have been visiting over the last few weeks getting stuff sorted and I made contact with the local church and playgroup - always a good place to start to meet people. I know it will take a while but I keep reminding myself that at least I have made a start.

DD will miss her friends here, but we will visit and hopefully they will come to see us too.

Just dreading that he comes back early, but then remind myself that that would cost him money to change flights, so he wont do it!

Got to go now but will log on again later.

thanks again, I cant tell you how much this is helping me.

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Lemonylemon · 06/11/2009 11:52

Messymissy: Stay strong! You can do this.....

Just keep thinking of Christmas Day in your lovely new home with DD and a little tree in the corner and fairy lights all over the place and just being SAFE!

loupiots · 06/11/2009 22:24

MM - you are doing so well! You have been busy, girl. You sound very determined to carry this through and that's so important.

I'm so glad that you have a vision (Xmas with your DD), to aspire to. It's going to be good, you will be able to make it exactly how you want it, without anyone interfering and bringing you down.

Have you got the weekend to finish things up? And any friends around to help you?

messymissy · 11/11/2009 21:27

well all packed up and ready to go, its been very hard, emotionally and physically, some very good friends have rallied around to help and so has my sister, and will try really hard to keep in touch once we have gone.

had many a serious wobble these last few days, especially as been getting lovely - even affectionate texts from DP - and before you all jump on me - I know its easy for him to text while away having fun with his chums - and its another matter entirely for him to say it to me in person.

Was worried that he was setting up to say - OMG look she's gone and left me and I've been so charming! So I called his parents today and told them I was going and that he knew all about it.

however, I remain hopeful that we ca do this and learn to be more civilised in the future for DD's sake - I am ever the optomist!

Practical tips and advice please as to what I do now - like oops forgot to redirect mail, so got to do that now.

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Lemonylemon · 12/11/2009 09:51

Just keep your nerve..... You're doing brilliantly. You're very, very brave.

But yes, it is easy for your DP to be nice via text rather than to your face ....

Just keep that thought of the Christmas Tree and your DD in your head....

messymissy · 23/12/2009 16:49

Well I did it, we moved out and its been about 5 weeks now, not on line yet so not been able to log on here but got a few minutes at a friends so thought I'd update you and say thanks for the posts and please keep them coming when you have a chance, I will log on when I can. Practical tips re money, work and access visits and what to expect in the way of questions and behaviour as DD gets used to life with Daddy as an infrequent visitor.

Its been incredibly tough and lots still to sort out, money is becoming a very stressful issue, BUT DD is sooooooo much better, happier and settling in really well. Its lonely at times for both of us, but I am trying hard to get out and about and meet new people but my confidence has had so many knocks i often feel very anxious before going out.

Its been worth the upheaval for DDs sake as she is happier and I just hope that we can sort out money and other things otherwise it will be impossible for us to stay here.

Its very tough when she wants to call Daddy and will talk about him favourably as she is fast forgetting what it was like and now when she sees him she is excited but I wonder if that is because he is someone different to play with rather than me who she sees every day.

Inlaws have backed off - thanks goodness and I wonder if its cos they think they have to be nice to be now if they want to see DD.

Christmas Tree looks lovely and DD thinks its great!

happy Christmas everyone.

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nickelbabyjesus · 23/12/2009 16:54

glad to hear you're doing okay.

have a great christmas.

Anniegetyourgun · 23/12/2009 16:57

Oh well done!

You'll get over the anxiety in time, get your confidence back and meet lots of new, nice people. Delighted to hear how happy your child is.

Happy Christmas to you too.

mrsboogiefairylights · 23/12/2009 17:00

well done messymissy so glad to hear you did it.

hope you and your DD have the BEST Christmas!

messymissy · 12/02/2010 21:21

Hi and thanks Annie, Mrsboogie and Nickle for taking the time to post a reply. Very much appreciated.

Finally online at home - Hooray! amazing how out of touch with the world I feel when not online!

DD continues to thrive and is very much happier here, her confidence is growing slowly but there is improvement every week.

I have moments of pure joy - usually over something very silly - like being able to wash up when i want to, ignore the ironing if I want to, listen to the radio when I want to and God forbid .. leave all the lights on!!!!!

DD is enjoying it too, we can me so much more flexible with her routine and if we want to snuggle up on the sofa watching a dvd we can and she loves it. She says 'mum your happy cos you love me' and trys (and suceeds) to make me laugh.

Still being shy and maybe wimpish making new friends, but trying.

Really really hard trying to sort out the benefit system - what a nightmare. Burst into tears trying to sort it the whole process seems designed to thwart any applicant they are so unhelpful....gripe gripe.

Sitting in my kitchen typing this .
while dd fast asleep, feel liberated.

Dont know any other lone parents, was thinking of trying Gingerbread - does anyone know anything about it?

Christmas was lovely, we had a great time doing the tree and shopping and wrapping presents and she was thrilled to see her stocking filled!

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