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time to leave and getting cold feet....bit long please bear with me

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messymissy · 19/05/2009 09:59

tried posting this early and the site crashed! so here goes again...

Have posted on lots of threads and taken advice and inspiration and hope from many of them, then read other threads about the realities of dealing with an ex-p, access, recriminations, money and so on and it frightens me to death.

Been with dp for nearly 4 years, we have a 2y daughter. the abuse started slowly about 18 months ago (feels like a life time) with him nitt picking, complaining about everything, my appearance, the house work, and some so petty they can't be believed - too many suds in the washing up water...and so on and so on.

He then lost his temper when i shouted back and shook me so violently i fell over.

Since then there have been several other aggressive attacks, dragged me down the stairs by my ankles, tried to strangle me while dd was screaming on the bed next to me - because he said i was a liar - i had fallen asleep with dd and hadn't come down to do the ironing.

There have only been a few incidents, but the verbal/emotional abuse is every few days.

Despite trying to reason with him, he still feels that he was justified cos lots of men get wound up by the housework and if I did it all when and how he likes it, then he would not get wound up. So he thinks its my fault obviously. - backed up by his mum who thinks this is normal, that i provoked him and because one time i hit back she says i am just as bad as him.

Anyway to cut a long story short, after months of put downs and him swearing I have had enough - just on sunday he sat with dd on his lap and told me I was talking shit - i am fed up of pleading with him not to do this and trying to get him to understand just how damaging it is for a young girl to see her mum put down like this. Then last night the penny dropped - he does know, he just doesn't care, he knows it upsets me, he knows I would rather bite my tongue than argue back in front of dd so he tries harder and harder to provoke a reaction out of me.

If I do answer back he then says - see you are loosing it, you are unstable, you are neurotic etc etc

Trouble is, after months of persuasion he is actually making a bit more of an effort to play with dd and she has at last begun to want to play with him. Is it too little too late?

I have the chance to buy into a shared ownership house, many many miles away - i will be giving up all my friends and family but it will be a permanent roof over my dd's head that he cant kick us out of (there is not a week gone by that he hasn't at some point said, do what i say or leave).

I am fearful of his reaction - he is so negatively affected by his parents - when they are away on holiday he is a different person, I know they will insist on vengence - they believe an eye for an eye and he talks a lot of being punished and punishes me - for example he ignored my birthday last year as punishment cos we weren't getting on.

The police have told me to move out and not give a forwarding address. This seems so drastic.

I have this dream that if i can get him away from his parents we would be able to start a new happier life. Am i barking mad?

I know I have to leave, enough people have told me. I just don't want to have to face the reality of it.

Is it my fault? if I did all the housework, never had any dishes in the sink or ironing to do, would he be nice to me? The house is tidy, there is always washing / ironing - i dont have a tumble drier and its often hard to get things dried. I dont have as dish washer and he doesn't like me to wash up during hte day (wastes water he says) but he gets annoyed when there is a pile of it after dinner. (i do wash up during hte day)

I am grateful i am a SAHM and that he pays the bills, but the cost seems to be my soul.

I want to be able to love him without bracing myself for the next barbed sarcastic comment. He said that he wants a loving woman - i said i used to be before you hurt me and shout and swear at me.

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seriouscase · 19/05/2009 17:54

You are doing the right thing in leaving. Please do not doubt yourself.
Don't worry about what to tell your DD in the future. Get all the advice and support you can.
He can't change- it is not your job to change him. He has lost all perspective/understanding of what a relationship should be like. You can't help him! Please get out safely.

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AnyFucker · 19/05/2009 20:33

Please remove your dd from the legacy she is bound to follow, just like he was fucked up by his parents. She will be too, if you stay.

Break this cycle. He won't, you will have to.

Do it for her and also for yourself. Nobody deserves this sort of treatment, it is utterly chilling

I agree with whoever said his violence is all the more scary because it is controlled. He can switch it on and off at will. He doesn't strangle passers-by in the street does he?

I truly feel sick for you.

messymissy · 20/05/2009 07:45

Off to see the solicitor this morning. Will ask again about the access.

He was all sweetness and charm last night, played with DD, did the washing up, all as if nothing happened on Sunday. his parents are away again.

The strangling incidicent was 8 months ago now, I dont know why i did not go then i was so shocked and in denial i guess and i felt very ashamed. havent told anyone expect the counsellor about that one. I think because I know i was stupid to stay but by that point he had me convinced it was all my fault and i still do feel that i am partly to blame. i cant shake it off and i know its hampering my decision making.

It just feels so underhand and cruel to just up and leave, especially as he and dd are getting on so much better now.

Junglist i will ask about solicitors experience - i think i will have to get a new one nearer to my new home in anycase, thanks for the tip.

DP doesnpt think of it as abuse at all but i guess men dont, he sees it as all men get wound up by these things and he takes his mum's stance, cos i hit him back i am just as bad as him.

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messymissy · 20/05/2009 08:02

Dont feel calm sazzles - just me trying to rationalise the awful situation i am in, feel i could run round the house screaming in panic in side!!

Keep thinking i am just making a mountain out of a mole hill, especially when he was so nice last night (before he went out of course) - he didnt even react when i couldn;t find the car keys (a real first!) but then on sunday he ranted and raved at me and told me i was talking shit. its like he is two different men.

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GettingaGrip · 20/05/2009 08:47

Messy

Call WA. They are experts. You will be better if you can leave without telling him as he may get very violent if you tell him and you are on your own .

I left over two years ago now and have never been happier. I finally have peace in my soul.

You will wonder why you left it so long to act after you have had some time away from this nasty and dangerous man.

Your daughter will be a different child.

Go through WA now and then move to your new house. You will then have support and protection.

Do not listen to people who tell you it is difficult to be on your own. Being on your own is of nothing compared to risking your own life and your mental health and that of your daughter every day with this abuser.

Good luck to you in everything you do .

xxxxxx

mrsboogie · 20/05/2009 10:40

good on you missy

It quite often takes people a while to leave after their partner has done something terrible - whether its physical violence or an affair or whatever. They are shocked by the event and the overriding feeling is wanting things to go back to normal. They think they can stick it out or try to pretend it never happened and can?t just switch off the love they feel for the other person.. In the end though they realise they deserve better or cannot accept it and move on. He doesn't have to be terrible all the time for you to justify leaving. The man tried to strangle you. Normal people don?t do things like that and people who do certainly don't then revert to being perfectly normal non-violent individuals but if that was the ONLY thing he ever did it would be enough to justify leaving him in any reasonable person's judgement.

You have to leave without telling him because you are in fear for your safety. Is it worth you being seen to do things in a more upfront manner if there is a risk that he will hurt you or prevent you leaving? No of course not. If you really can?t bear it then perhaps you could tell him with someone else present? Only you really know him. You know whether it is safe to tell him before leaving.

Please believe that you are not overreacting ? you are doing the only sensible thing possible. Only people who secretly feel they deserve this kind of treatment would remain in your postion. You cannot fix him. All the love in the world won?t change him. He is 100% responsible for his actions. Either he treats you with respect or he loses you. He has already made that choice - the way he has treated you has struck horror into the people reading your OP.

cestlavielife · 20/05/2009 12:08

it is all about control - the being nice, the being nasty. you have read the stuff, cycle of abuse etc.

abusers dont abuse 24/7. violence doesnt happen 24/7 - but it only needs to happen once - and it already did.... he ahsnt changed, he is justifying.

my ex was also great around other people - perfect dad etc, heck he even told eveyone how wonderful i was and how lucky he was to be with me...while at home everything i did was wrong from the way i stacked the dishwasher to buying the wrong colour washing up liquid. it made no sense - on one hand i was wonderful he told everyone else - yet at same time in private he kept telling me i was "full of shit"...kept criticising everything i did....

there are some hugely relevant anecdotes in the lundy bancroft book (why does he do that insides the minds of angry and controlling men - buy it) which reflected my life too... and he explains the mind of the man...

your dd will be ok. she will understand.

keep in your mind that you will only allow supervised access due to his irrational and unpredictable behaviour.

leaving is the best thing, is hard, and is first step on the road, but the necessary one.

you will feel the weight lift...

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poshsinglemum · 20/05/2009 14:24

He's a sorry excuse for a man and an abusive twunt. Please get out.
Am so angry with men for expecting a woman to be a domestic slave. If he isn't happy with the housework he should bloody well do it.

messymissy · 20/05/2009 15:48

Thanks for the posts, they are helping a lot,

cant post long now as have to take my mum home as she was sitting so i could go to the solicitor. - cant even tell dp that she was here as otherwise he expects me to spend the same amount of time with his mum!!! God forbid!

So i have to make sure i take her home before he gets back in.

will post again later.

thanks again
xx

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Digitalis · 21/05/2009 17:22

Hope all is well MessyMissy, it is great that you are making plans to leave and involving all the resources and support that you can find.

You absolutely have to go. The reason that your P and other men like him abuse is down to their feelings of entitlement, their belief they have a right to expect their P's to wait on them, treat them better etc. etc. They rage and shout, accuse us of being unfaithful etc. as a way of controlling us, they feel bad about themselves so they call us names, criticise us and bring us down to make them feel better about themselves.

It's not because they're depressives, addicted, had a bad childhood, been let down all their lives, not given enough affection - there's a myriad of excuses. It's about their deeply held beliefs and values - and they won't change unless they get specialist help. As most of them can't recognise their problem, it's pretty much impossible.

Don't think twice, head for the door. Your DD is young enough to cope and you might save her from the same "treatment" later on.

Good luck.

messymissy · 22/05/2009 08:46

thanks digitalis. Its been keeping me awake worrying and i'm not eating much, just feel too sick with the worry of it all.

seems such a lot to do and i dont really know where to start, and he keeps putting pressure on me to go on holiday with him. i keep saying no but he wont listen.

he left me a list of dates this morning, showing he is away for a weekend next week and two weddings in june - haven't seen any invitations. Oh, and he is out for the evening on my birthday.

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lilacclaire · 22/05/2009 09:03

You could always arrange to move out the weekend he is away???

Digitalis · 22/05/2009 09:45

Is there anyone who will support or help you in RL? Parents, brothers or sisters, friends?

You mentioned a shared ownership house but it is a long way from anyone who could support you.

How would you feel about moving away? Is there anywhere closer to your support network you could go to?

messymissy · 22/05/2009 10:30

I was wondering that too - not too sure if i can get things ready by then, would have to put furniture in storage. new house doesn;t exchange for a couple more weeks.

have a friend very close by where i am moving to. her and her husband have been great. They are very supportive, but they still say things like oh but he seems so nice, so charming etc etc, as do so many people who only know him superficially, so i say, look on the refuge website for how some men are jekyll and hyde.

Feel nervous about moving away but feel it my best chance at a new life for me and dd. there is a school in walking distance and two good state secondaries only a bus ride away. Cant afford to live nearer here and its too close to his parents for comfort.

been crying this morning - feeling sorry for myself. he left this list showing two of our friends wedding dates - knew nothing about it.

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lilacclaire · 22/05/2009 13:11

Go for it!
The new house seems perfect for you.
Get on the phone now and start arranging storage etc, its a great opportunity.
Are you sure the friends where your moving to won't tell him where you are?

Overmydeadbody · 22/05/2009 13:37

Oh messy, don't cry and feel sorry for yourself, you are going to get out of this situation and you are going to start a great new life for you and your DD, where you no longer have to live in fear, where you can do the ironing when you want, leave peanut butter jars undone, buy whatever colour washing up liquid you choose and make every decision in your life by yourself, based on what you want, not on what a waner of a man would want.

You can do it now, while he is away.

He left you those dates of when he'll be away for weddings and on your birthday because he knew it would upset you. He's trying to control you.

Wordweaver · 28/05/2009 17:33

Hope you are all right, Messmissy - just read your thread and want to say that it sounds as if you are a very strong and very wise personality.

I am sure that when the time comes, you will be able to give your daughter a constructive and supportive way of dealing with the emotions she'll have about the situation.

My father wanted no part of my life after he and my mother parted, and my mother's loving support and care helped me see that wasting my anger on him was fruitless and only damaged me. I have some understanding of his behaviour (that's not to say I excuse it!), and therefore I can move past it and not hold on to the sadness of it.

I guess I am just saying that I am full of admiration for you, and I am sure that thanks to your strength of character, you and your daughter are going to have happy and fear-free lives.

I wish you all good fortune and happiness for the future.

messymissy · 03/11/2009 11:08

Can't believe it was may when I posted this.

lots happened since. He kept telling me he was going on holiday but didn't.

the house I was after fell through so had to start all over again. This felt like a major setback and it took me ages to get over it and build up the strength to start looking again.

Finally found somewhere I can just about afford and please God and the benefits agencies I can get help with. But it still seems so scary. Still worry that I am leaping out of the frying pan into the fire. I feel incapable of making any decision on my own - which is awful as I used to have a very good job making hundreds of decision each day with every confidence that I was right. Now I cant even choose a new washing machine or decide on bedlinen for the new house. Makes me feel pathetic.

Its been a tough time.

I have been to relate a few times on my own - they wont see us together - they don't say why just that its not their policy. We tried BUPA and they said exactly the same - DP accused me of sabotaging the counselling by telling them about the ongoing verbal abuse.

So I guess I am posting now as I need to find the strength from somewhere to get a move on and finalize the house and start packing. I look around and it all seems so much to do, it seems insurmountable and i feel so very tired all the time, I barely have the energy to get through the day.

I so worry about DD growing up in a single parent household, and hang on to the conviction of others (relate included) that she will be better off with just me. But I feel so low and incapable that I worry she will resent me and I will not be able to do the best for her.

sorry this is beginning to sound rather self pitying.

DP is away for a week so I have to take this chance to move while he is away. - he has been telling me he was going away since the summer but it never happened, he said on Monday he might cancel this one too.

He knows about the house, the area but not the address - he found some of the paperwork. He knows I am planning on going, I have not said a date as I don't want him here when the removers arrive - I don't want any long goodbyes to DD.

He knows I am going and has threatened suicide, even trying to cut his wrist in front of me - with a sharp bit of plastic - it did not work and knowing it was just another way to control and manipulate me I gave no reaction. But it did scare me. He often hits himself when he is in a rage, and now DD is doing it too.

On Monday he said he would buy us a new house together - but also complained he cant be himself with me and DD as I expect him not to get angry about things in front of DD, and to mind his language (he can be very coarse).

He said he can only be himself with his friends. Well, I said that's life, you can swear, be rude, tell crude jokes in the company of men, but most men adapt and refine their language in front of their partners and children - surely?? or am I seriously old fashioned and out of touch???

I haven;t posted on here for so long, I read other peoples threads, some give me hope and others scare the sh** out of me. All the ones with rows over custody access and money have me feeling sick and anxious and telling myself well I should stay and then at least I know she is never alone with him, I can take her away if he starts saying stuff he shouldn't (like, you want me dead)

he has stopped calling me names for the most part, but cant go more than 3 or 4 days without loosing his temper. DD is telling him to stop it and calm down and most times wont go any where near him, but at others is so excited to see him and wants to play and cuddle with him its like he is two different people. Its lovely to see them when they are happy together. But for the most part its miserable and gut wrenching when I can't even go to the toilet without dd crying cos she doesn't want to be left in the room with daddy.

I feel that I am caught in the middle of their bad relationship, trying to keep the peace between them, if that makes any sense.

this is long but it feels good to get it out.

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cestlavielife · 03/11/2009 11:27

stay strong.

please believe that you are doing the right thing for your DD. she needs to lvioe free of stress and threats of abuse/suicide etc.

the threats of abuse - make a point of calling his GP and telling them so it is recorded.

next time he does it in front of you dial 999. tell him you take it seriously (event ho you know he is just bluffing)
if you can; call from your landline so if he grabs phone etc then police will trace the call and send someone. you can also tell police in advance to put a record on your phone number so that if it is called they will come and check out what is happening. please speak to your GP and police domestic violence unit. soudns liek you in touch with them anyway. take their advice, please.

(if you can - when my exP did that i was so scared he would attack me it was more difficult than it sounds; and another time when i did get phone he did grab it off me and assault me)

stay strong and yes you are doing the right thing for you and DD. you NEED to get away from this man.

messymissy · 03/11/2009 11:27

got to go now. hope someone can give me the lift in spirits that I need.

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cestlavielife · 03/11/2009 11:27

ps is there a RL friend who will help you pack, move etc?

miumiu · 03/11/2009 11:35

"But for the most part its miserable and gut wrenching when I can't even go to the toilet without dd crying cos she doesn't want to be left in the room with daddy."

Read and reread this.

Please just go.

Lemonylemon · 03/11/2009 11:55

"Iso worry about DD growing up in a single parent household, and hang on to the conviction of others (relate included) that she will be better off with just me. But I feel so low and incapable that I worry she will resent me and I will not be able to do the best for her."

Don't. She will. She won't. You will.

Get the hell out. Don't wait for him to go on holiday. Put things quietly into bags in the loft and leave them there. Box what you can and wait until one morning he's at work and just get the hell out. Go and stay in a B&B for a few days until you can get the house. Just get the hell out.

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