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Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

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Right, listen up everybody.

867 replies

RealityIsMyOnlyValentine · 04/02/2009 08:00

I shall say this only once.

Actually, no I won't, I will keep repeating it until the message gets through.

Every person deserves to have a relationship where they are treated with respect, love and equality.

There is never an excuse for verbal, physical or financial abuse.

If you partner treats you like shit, it is their fault. It is not because of something you have done.

You can't change an abusive man by being 'better' or sticking by him where others haven't, or by changing yourself.

Most people have happy relationships, where disagreements happen and are resolved without resorting to shouting, name calling or violence or screwing someone else.

Most people's partners are happy for them to pursue their own friendships and interests, work and education, have access to money, make decisions.

Most people in a relationship stay faithful. They don't have affairs or cyber-sex or obsessively wank over porn day and night.

Don't be fooled into thinking that dysfunctional relationships are the norm. There are many of them on here, but then people don't tend to ask for advice on healthy relationships, so we hear less about them.

Relationships are not supposed to be hard work, that is a big fat myth. Yes, you should work at your relationship but that is not the same thing at all.

Nobody should live their life in fear of angering their partner, or skirting round issues that might upset him. Or put up with cheating and lying for fear of rocking the boat.

Nobody should 'stay together for the children', or because of your marriage vows. If your husband treats you badly, he has broken the vows. Children are much much happier being brought up by parents who live apart than in an atmosphere of fear and loathing.

Just because you've escaped a level 10 bastard, doesn't mean you should settle for the level 8 one that comes along. The only acceptable level of abuse is none.

Just because all your friends are in bad relationships, doesn't mean that you have to be.

I really want to debunk the myth that all men are bastards. They simply aren't. If you feel that all the men you meet are, it's because you are unconsciously sending out vibes to these men. They can spot a target a mile off.

Be on your own. It is much easier than sticking by a tosser. If you have been in more than one abusive relationship, seek some counselling, you may be co-dependant, or you may be modelling relationships on a warped template, perhaps from childhood.

If he abuses you, he is not a good father. Good fathers don't treat the mother of their children with disrespect.

It doesn't matter how much he says sorry and makes it up to you, if he continues to abuse you those apologies are worthless.

Don't be fooled into thinking the abuse isn't 'bad enough to leave'. If you are treated in any way less than cherished, loved and respected, it is bad enough to leave.

There is never a reason to stay with an abusive man. He won't kill himself if you leave him, he won't take your children, and yes, everybody will believe you.

I probably have loads more to say on the subject but I will leave it there for now.

Much love to everybody.

OP posts:
BritFish · 14/03/2010 11:43

this is amazing.
especially about not staying together for the kids.
i am lucky in that when my parents split up i was mature enough at 14 to understand they were better off apart.
so many people dont understand that.

SupposedToBeWorking · 21/05/2010 09:56

Reality, thank you.

Just joined MN, and this is what I find .

BertieBotts · 30/05/2010 12:00

This thread could have done with a bump last week. Hopefully people are still reading

maybees · 31/05/2010 23:51

Wonderful quote from the Lundy B book "THE OPPOSITE OF ABUSE IS RESPECT"makes a girl think.When everything becomes normal and the behaviour has overstepped the mark then they are disrespecting you.In hindsight you can see the pattern but at the time you just thought it normal or made excuses because he told you that he loved you.But basically when all is said and done ,it might take years to work out ,but his abusive behaviour is unacceptable and disrespectful to you as a human being and "THE OPPOSITE OF ABUSE IS RESPECT"take care x

Loonybird · 27/06/2010 11:28

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iso · 27/06/2010 17:19

bump

poppy34 · 27/06/2010 18:44

Amen to that reality

HerBeatitude · 27/06/2010 22:33

"Not being cherished and loved is not abuse, and if your children are cherished and loved, then adults have to put up with second best."

But if adults put up with second best, they are raising their children to expect second best.

I won't argue that second best isn't better than third, fourth, fifth or sixth best, but I want my DC's to expect best. They wouldn't do that if I was putting up with second best, would they?

LaserWidow · 29/06/2010 23:51

What HerBeatitude said. If a mother always puts herself last, then her sons will expect their wives to put themselves last.

HerBeatitude · 30/06/2010 13:00

And a daughter will expect to put herself last as well.

I don't want my little girl to have a life where she comes last. She deserves better.

Junglist · 01/07/2010 11:39

Some of us don't deserve better though. If your P and other people treat you like shit over and over and you haven't got a pot to piss in either maybe the whole thing isn't worth it. Better off out of it

EleanorHandbasket · 01/07/2010 13:05

Junglist, what do you mean? Are you okay?

Coolfonz · 01/07/2010 13:09

My 11 month old boy is loved. Especially when he comes home after a hard day up the local landowners' chimney and hands over his dosh. I even give the missus half of it to buy us beer.

Junglist · 01/07/2010 17:03

Sorry ignore the above. Was just in a teary ridiculous mood earlier. Had a kip and arranged a night out, feeling better now (slaps self gently)

Anniegetyourgun · 01/07/2010 17:06

Thank goodness for that #sneaky hug#

LaserWidow · 02/07/2010 23:51

Bump

Mouseface · 05/07/2010 15:01

Where were you 6.5 years ago?

thefinerthingsinlife · 29/07/2010 11:40

Bumping this.

Thank you for this post reality, I was pointed towards this thread from mine about my sil marrying her abusive partner.

I have sent her a link to it. I hope she reads it and takes note that she deserves better.

Without mumsnet i'd be lost at how to help her, thank you to all the fantastic ladies who have given me advice

AuntieMaggie · 29/07/2010 12:42

Completely agree with you about teaching in schools about how relationships should be.

Some people don't have the luxury of learning from their families.

sungirltan · 31/07/2010 09:05

good post op. sadly its pushing me toward a post in relationships of my own :-(

toomanystuffedbears · 13/08/2010 15:14

bump-printing out for my sister because of her NPD/bipolar "d"h.

Karmamama01 · 13/08/2010 15:39

You have a lot of issues that you need to deal with before you consider having a relationship.

HaworthView · 13/08/2010 15:47

I have not read the whole thread, but top bloody post! I had a wonderful guy wanting to go out with me 2 years ago. Everyone said he was the type to treat me like a princess. He's still in the picture. I wish I'd dumped the dp back then, and gone out with him instead. Once I've pulled myself together, I might give him a go. How could it be any worse? There are nice guy's out there. My ex is the worst I've ever met, and I'm 40. I think he's mentally ill actually. Don't give up hope ladies, still some nice guys out there to be had!

hairytriangle · 14/08/2010 09:05

Thank you si much! I'm going to print this out and read it every time I feel that awful guilt for leaving my ex :)

Patienceobtainsallthings · 27/08/2010 11:37

bump