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Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

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Right, listen up everybody.

867 replies

RealityIsMyOnlyValentine · 04/02/2009 08:00

I shall say this only once.

Actually, no I won't, I will keep repeating it until the message gets through.

Every person deserves to have a relationship where they are treated with respect, love and equality.

There is never an excuse for verbal, physical or financial abuse.

If you partner treats you like shit, it is their fault. It is not because of something you have done.

You can't change an abusive man by being 'better' or sticking by him where others haven't, or by changing yourself.

Most people have happy relationships, where disagreements happen and are resolved without resorting to shouting, name calling or violence or screwing someone else.

Most people's partners are happy for them to pursue their own friendships and interests, work and education, have access to money, make decisions.

Most people in a relationship stay faithful. They don't have affairs or cyber-sex or obsessively wank over porn day and night.

Don't be fooled into thinking that dysfunctional relationships are the norm. There are many of them on here, but then people don't tend to ask for advice on healthy relationships, so we hear less about them.

Relationships are not supposed to be hard work, that is a big fat myth. Yes, you should work at your relationship but that is not the same thing at all.

Nobody should live their life in fear of angering their partner, or skirting round issues that might upset him. Or put up with cheating and lying for fear of rocking the boat.

Nobody should 'stay together for the children', or because of your marriage vows. If your husband treats you badly, he has broken the vows. Children are much much happier being brought up by parents who live apart than in an atmosphere of fear and loathing.

Just because you've escaped a level 10 bastard, doesn't mean you should settle for the level 8 one that comes along. The only acceptable level of abuse is none.

Just because all your friends are in bad relationships, doesn't mean that you have to be.

I really want to debunk the myth that all men are bastards. They simply aren't. If you feel that all the men you meet are, it's because you are unconsciously sending out vibes to these men. They can spot a target a mile off.

Be on your own. It is much easier than sticking by a tosser. If you have been in more than one abusive relationship, seek some counselling, you may be co-dependant, or you may be modelling relationships on a warped template, perhaps from childhood.

If he abuses you, he is not a good father. Good fathers don't treat the mother of their children with disrespect.

It doesn't matter how much he says sorry and makes it up to you, if he continues to abuse you those apologies are worthless.

Don't be fooled into thinking the abuse isn't 'bad enough to leave'. If you are treated in any way less than cherished, loved and respected, it is bad enough to leave.

There is never a reason to stay with an abusive man. He won't kill himself if you leave him, he won't take your children, and yes, everybody will believe you.

I probably have loads more to say on the subject but I will leave it there for now.

Much love to everybody.

OP posts:
fabnewlife · 31/10/2009 11:23

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teamcullen · 31/10/2009 12:07

I dont think that people should put up with abuse.

BUT I think thats a long list of the only way to a happy healthy relationships. Fuck me I should have packed up and left years ago.

Come to think of it DH should have packed up and left years ago too.

We dont agree on everything because we are our own people.

We dont always talk in a kind fluffy manner when we disagree. Infact we sometimes say horrible hurtful things to each other.

DH has a pile of porn DVDs under his bed

There is loads more I could say which disagrees with parts of your post, but I will probably be dragged through hot coals backwards so I will keep my mouth shut.

But sorry! There is a honeymoon period, in fact there are many honeymoon periods.

And there are times in relationships where you have to work really hard to get past difficult times.

Lastly. I have been with DH for 15 years we have 3 kids, nither of us has ever had an affair but its not always perfect, sometimes far from it. But we work hard and have overcome difficult times which makes us both stronger.

fabnewlife · 03/11/2009 19:46

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macdoodle · 04/11/2009 14:41

teamcullen, excuse me but what a pile of CRAP!!!!!!!!!!
you have obviously never been in an abusive raltionship because you would know that that is exactly the problem, that there is no working through problems or talking (nicely or otherwise)! It is always YOUR fault, you never tried hard enough, did enough, loved enough, fucked enough, it was always you!!

Dont come here and tell people who in some cases have taken years to realise that no matter what they did/do it would never be good enough, dont come here and tell them that of they had just tried harder/worked harder then it would have been ok, because you know what in some cases it just isnt!!

So excuse me but you can piss right off, I tried everything to make my marriage work, every bloody thing, but you know what my XH is just a self eabsorbed abusive prick, and no matter what I did I was never going to be happy!

abbierhodes · 30/01/2010 00:24

A few threads lately have made me think this could do with a bump, so I searched for it.

Hope no one minds.

It's the OP I'm hoping to draw attention to, not necessarily the rest!!

ItsGraceAgain · 30/01/2010 00:44

Well bumped, abbierhodes

The OP is about abusive relationships. One-sided ones, where you do all the 'work'. Replies like the one above are the reason why abused partners think nobody will believe them, and why they stay for year after grinding year, hoping it's what other couples call a rough patch.

But if you told teamcullen what your life is like ... she would say "leave".

TrinityIsFuckingTrying · 30/01/2010 01:00

I've come late to this thread but feel the need to say

A-FUCKING-MEN

I feel lucky to have been loved and to have loved a real man.

not all men are bastards at all

unfortunately the world is less one of the bloody brilliant ones

roxi09 · 30/01/2010 16:51

Ooh, it made me cry (thanks for bumping though anyway )

aSilverLining · 30/01/2010 17:23

trinity you actually did come to this thread early (on page 1) {{{trinity}}}

I would like to add my own

AMEN too

It has taken me a while to get here but I now agree with the OP.

TrinityIsFuckingTrying · 31/01/2010 17:35

wow that feels weird
when I posted first on this thread neil was still alive

differentID · 31/01/2010 17:39

and you still feel the same way too Trinity

I know that I'm lucky to have husband who loves me,who will treat me where he can and who will drive us both down to visit my mother for a weekend and I help him talk through work issues and make sure he's fed. He really would starve if left aloneor live on takeaways and crisps.

He has his irritating points, but so do I.

TrillianAstra · 06/02/2010 11:43

Have just shown this to DP as we're having an educational morning on the wisdom of MN (he's been reading the 'signs you're dating a bastard').

He agress with all points, and is slightly shocked that men really behave in these ways.

Thank you Reality!

AnyFucker · 06/02/2010 14:13

this needs bumping every few days, tbh

TrillianAstra · 06/02/2010 14:38

Exactly AF

aluvss · 06/02/2010 21:41

Very good post

queenoftheslatterns · 06/02/2010 23:18

marking this to help me keep my resolve.

therealme · 06/02/2010 23:46

Having a bad night. Just read this.
It's all catching up with me. Delayed reaction? Don't know - but I'm struggling here.
This has helped a bit though.
So thank you.

AnyFucker · 07/02/2010 00:00

you ok, therealme ?

I lurk on your other (long) thread...

therealme · 07/02/2010 02:59

Ah, AF. Spent the night bawling and used up a box of tissues. Like you do. But I'm still here.
Just when you think it's plain sailing... and then you get out a chick flick to watch in peace....and for no reason at all the floodgates open and you are left wondering if Cameron Diaz really is that bad an actress or whether there is something else going on that has you sobbing uncontrollably for at least an hour after the movie has ended.
Nobody told me that the 'numbness' would suddenly wear off without warning. That all of a sudden reality would kick in - and OMG did I get a kick tonight.

Anyway, sobbed my guts out. Eyes now red and swollen. But stopped crying when I read this for a while. (Then resumed crying, but felt slightly better).
Have stopped crying now

AnyFucker · 07/02/2010 13:23

oh bloomin' heck trm, you were still up at 3am ?????

you poor thing, hopefully that big crying session has released some tension and you are feeling a bit better this morning

if you are anything like me though, your eyes will look like watermelons today

how are you ?

ItsGraceAgain · 18/02/2010 18:01

bump

maybees · 18/02/2010 23:14

Wiil pin this up in my kitchen,good everyday reminder for me x

skinsl · 18/02/2010 23:36

What a post! Needs to be on the home page. Thank you. X

gonnabehappy · 08/03/2010 14:24

Again...this is worth reading.

AnyFucker · 08/03/2010 17:07

bump