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Right, listen up everybody.

867 replies

RealityIsMyOnlyValentine · 04/02/2009 08:00

I shall say this only once.

Actually, no I won't, I will keep repeating it until the message gets through.

Every person deserves to have a relationship where they are treated with respect, love and equality.

There is never an excuse for verbal, physical or financial abuse.

If you partner treats you like shit, it is their fault. It is not because of something you have done.

You can't change an abusive man by being 'better' or sticking by him where others haven't, or by changing yourself.

Most people have happy relationships, where disagreements happen and are resolved without resorting to shouting, name calling or violence or screwing someone else.

Most people's partners are happy for them to pursue their own friendships and interests, work and education, have access to money, make decisions.

Most people in a relationship stay faithful. They don't have affairs or cyber-sex or obsessively wank over porn day and night.

Don't be fooled into thinking that dysfunctional relationships are the norm. There are many of them on here, but then people don't tend to ask for advice on healthy relationships, so we hear less about them.

Relationships are not supposed to be hard work, that is a big fat myth. Yes, you should work at your relationship but that is not the same thing at all.

Nobody should live their life in fear of angering their partner, or skirting round issues that might upset him. Or put up with cheating and lying for fear of rocking the boat.

Nobody should 'stay together for the children', or because of your marriage vows. If your husband treats you badly, he has broken the vows. Children are much much happier being brought up by parents who live apart than in an atmosphere of fear and loathing.

Just because you've escaped a level 10 bastard, doesn't mean you should settle for the level 8 one that comes along. The only acceptable level of abuse is none.

Just because all your friends are in bad relationships, doesn't mean that you have to be.

I really want to debunk the myth that all men are bastards. They simply aren't. If you feel that all the men you meet are, it's because you are unconsciously sending out vibes to these men. They can spot a target a mile off.

Be on your own. It is much easier than sticking by a tosser. If you have been in more than one abusive relationship, seek some counselling, you may be co-dependant, or you may be modelling relationships on a warped template, perhaps from childhood.

If he abuses you, he is not a good father. Good fathers don't treat the mother of their children with disrespect.

It doesn't matter how much he says sorry and makes it up to you, if he continues to abuse you those apologies are worthless.

Don't be fooled into thinking the abuse isn't 'bad enough to leave'. If you are treated in any way less than cherished, loved and respected, it is bad enough to leave.

There is never a reason to stay with an abusive man. He won't kill himself if you leave him, he won't take your children, and yes, everybody will believe you.

I probably have loads more to say on the subject but I will leave it there for now.

Much love to everybody.

OP posts:
stuffitlllama · 01/08/2009 09:18

"If you are treated in any way less than cherished, loved and respected, it is bad enough to leave."

I disagree.

Not being cherished and loved is not abuse, and if your children are cherished and loved, then adults have to put up with second best.

stuffitlllama · 01/08/2009 09:20

Of course I agree with the principles.

stuffitlllama · 01/08/2009 13:09

Oh I didn't expect that to happen. Didn't want people to stop reading your wonderful empowering message, just thought it was a bit much at that point.

Ninkynork · 01/08/2009 13:21

Don't worry, it's the first time I've seen this so you've done me and probably a fair few of us a favour

We should keep it bumped given the threads here atm.

NicknameTaken · 12/08/2009 16:30

Bumping, pointing and nodding vigorously!

Tomorrow week it will be exactly 3 months since I left my very unpleasant stbxh and it's wonderful. I come home and nobody calls me a dirty, ugly moron! I can cuddle my dd as much as I like without anyone getting angry! I no longer feel anxiety at the upcoming weekend! Get yourselves free, girls! (and boys where applicable)

nje3006 · 12/08/2009 18:23

Absolutely and amen.

I am horrified when I read of what people put up with in their relationships and how scared they seem to be of standing up for decent human treatment. How do we get to be like this? Whatever the answer to that....you're so right about minimum standards...

SwannMum · 13/08/2009 15:21

Do you know what? That is the best thing I've read so far! Thankyou!

My friend has just bought a copy of 'He's just not that into you' after I was banging on and on about the fact I've found out he had joined an internet dating site on top of everything else.

In short, yes it is him and not me. I just want a happy life!!

bronze · 13/08/2009 19:09

Wo what a good op. Just come across this linked. I've been very lucky in my relationship9s0 but am going to save this to post to friends as and when I feel they need it

bronze · 13/08/2009 19:09

Wow what a good op. Just come across this linked. I've been very lucky in my relationship(s) but am going to save this to post to friends as and when I feel they need it

Overmydeadbody · 13/08/2009 19:13

HUGE round of applause.

Reality can I have your permission to copy and paste that in the relationship threads when I feel it might help the OP?

fabnewlife · 16/08/2009 10:19

bump

missingtheaction · 16/08/2009 10:24

Am going to print this out and give it to my DCs (16 and 19)

poshsinglemum · 16/08/2009 12:13

If your not cherished and loved what's the point though? Just hanging out because you have kids isn't modelling positive relationship values.

luckyboy45 · 17/08/2009 09:28

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Message withdrawn

BertieBotts · 25/08/2009 10:09

Could do with a bump.

pinkchampagne · 25/08/2009 10:21

Fantastic post & I couldn't agree more! I too have been there. I was married to a man who would frighten me with his temper & it took me a few years to finally get the courage to get out, but I am so pleased I got there.
I am now with the lovliest man who treats me with respect & am so much happier.

NervousNutty · 25/08/2009 10:24

I agree with the OP, but in all honesty, if i'd know that I would end up on my own forever, then i'd have stayed put.

NicknameTaken · 25/08/2009 10:44

I'd rather be alone, frankly.

ilikeshoes · 25/08/2009 10:45

Thanks op i fell much more positive about meeting someone nice now,After 12 years of horrible dishonest lieing cheating men, i really hope so because pathetic or not i really do not want to be on my own forever.

NervousNutty · 25/08/2009 10:45

Yeah, I thought so too. I mean obviosuly in cases of dv etc then yes, but in less problematic cases then I dunno, the grass isn't always greener.

MadameOvary · 25/08/2009 10:48

Glad this is back in active convos.
Must say I am happily single and would rather be so for the rest of my life that meet another twat loser like my ex.

pinkchampagne · 25/08/2009 20:15

It won't be forever Nutty

BertieBotts · 26/09/2009 15:11

Wanted to give this a gentle bump and add the Women's Aid Bill of Rights:

  1. I have the Right to be me
  2. I have the Right to put myself first
  3. I have the Right to be safe
  4. I have the Right to love and be loved
  5. I have the Right to be treated with respect
  6. I have the Right to be human - NOT PERFECT
  7. I have the right to be angry and protest if I am treated unfairly or abusively by anyone
  8. I have the Right to my own privacy
  9. I have the Right to my own opinions, to express them and to be taken seriously.
10. I have the Right to earn and control my on money 11. I have the Right to ask questions about anything that affects my life 12. I have the Right to grow and change (and that includes changing my mind) 13. I have the Right to say NO 14. I have the Right to make mistakes 15. I have the Right NOT to be responsible for other adults' problems 16. I have the Right not to be liked by everyone.
fabnewlife · 29/10/2009 11:59

bump

ginnybag · 29/10/2009 14:35

Brilliant!!

Should so be a part of education in schools!