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Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

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Right, listen up everybody.

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RealityIsMyOnlyValentine · 04/02/2009 08:00

I shall say this only once.

Actually, no I won't, I will keep repeating it until the message gets through.

Every person deserves to have a relationship where they are treated with respect, love and equality.

There is never an excuse for verbal, physical or financial abuse.

If you partner treats you like shit, it is their fault. It is not because of something you have done.

You can't change an abusive man by being 'better' or sticking by him where others haven't, or by changing yourself.

Most people have happy relationships, where disagreements happen and are resolved without resorting to shouting, name calling or violence or screwing someone else.

Most people's partners are happy for them to pursue their own friendships and interests, work and education, have access to money, make decisions.

Most people in a relationship stay faithful. They don't have affairs or cyber-sex or obsessively wank over porn day and night.

Don't be fooled into thinking that dysfunctional relationships are the norm. There are many of them on here, but then people don't tend to ask for advice on healthy relationships, so we hear less about them.

Relationships are not supposed to be hard work, that is a big fat myth. Yes, you should work at your relationship but that is not the same thing at all.

Nobody should live their life in fear of angering their partner, or skirting round issues that might upset him. Or put up with cheating and lying for fear of rocking the boat.

Nobody should 'stay together for the children', or because of your marriage vows. If your husband treats you badly, he has broken the vows. Children are much much happier being brought up by parents who live apart than in an atmosphere of fear and loathing.

Just because you've escaped a level 10 bastard, doesn't mean you should settle for the level 8 one that comes along. The only acceptable level of abuse is none.

Just because all your friends are in bad relationships, doesn't mean that you have to be.

I really want to debunk the myth that all men are bastards. They simply aren't. If you feel that all the men you meet are, it's because you are unconsciously sending out vibes to these men. They can spot a target a mile off.

Be on your own. It is much easier than sticking by a tosser. If you have been in more than one abusive relationship, seek some counselling, you may be co-dependant, or you may be modelling relationships on a warped template, perhaps from childhood.

If he abuses you, he is not a good father. Good fathers don't treat the mother of their children with disrespect.

It doesn't matter how much he says sorry and makes it up to you, if he continues to abuse you those apologies are worthless.

Don't be fooled into thinking the abuse isn't 'bad enough to leave'. If you are treated in any way less than cherished, loved and respected, it is bad enough to leave.

There is never a reason to stay with an abusive man. He won't kill himself if you leave him, he won't take your children, and yes, everybody will believe you.

I probably have loads more to say on the subject but I will leave it there for now.

Much love to everybody.

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MiaWoman · 08/05/2019 15:24

Wow, RealityIsMyOnlyValentine, thanks so much for this.

I feel like it should be printed and put on posters around the city.

Interestingly, the fact that what you say is so touching and important is actually sad- us women should be aware of this already, it should be common knowledge.

Thanks again, very inspiring when thinking about our self worth!

Mia x

AnyaWheelmaker · 22/05/2019 20:44

Any recommendations for a couple therapy in SW London please??

Magellan50 · 29/05/2019 13:35

I just need to say Thank You so much for this thread. OP, what you have said is all true and it helped me finally leave a few months ago. It was the best decision I've ever made.

I was in a horrible, abusive relationship for many years. There was consistent sexual abuse, resulting in children that I wasn't ready to have. It meant I stayed because I thought that, as long as he wasn't abusing them, they'd be better off living with two parents.
I feel really bad about this last bit as, had I left sooner, I could have made a happier life for my children earlier on. They are so, so wonderful and deserved a lot better than what they were dealt.

As it is, we're doing okay on our own. I can now do what is best for me and my children and I've realised that, while having several children so young wasn't how I pictured my life 10 years ago, what I can do is make the best of it.

So, thank you OP. Thank you so much.

ChevalierTialys · 13/06/2019 15:10

I read this post a year ago and I cried and cried because of the things I had allowed from XP. Every thing this post says a relationship should not be, that was my relationship. Reading this helped me see it for what it was, helped keep me from allowing him to convince me to take him back. I have read it a thousand times, pretty much every day (I printed it off and stuck it to my bedroom wall, my kitchen wall, and the wall by my desk at work).

I love that this post has been here, helping people, for 10 years. You should be so proud OP.

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teenageyears · 19/07/2019 17:29

Thanks wholeheartedly for this clear summation of a tricky subject. Am re reading frquently!

BlackTulip71 · 19/07/2019 20:56

Thank you x

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Lauraloo123 · 06/08/2019 11:34

Hi there I'm just wondering what your view would be my partners phone rang the other day and he said he didn't recognise the number so didn't answer it anyway I then got the hold of that number and have realised it is a woman but I don't know who I have a bit feeling really because he didn't answer it I found it odd any ideas how to find out her name and who she is etc ...

Mamma2017 · 09/08/2019 15:03

This is literally the best thing iv ever read

Doneitagainidiot · 11/08/2019 14:43

Hi I've done the settling for a lower level bastard I've been such an idiot, basically he treated me better than my abusive ex husband. He has lied to me about being an alcoholic. He told me he used to drink a lot but I've recently discovered he has been drinking a lot more than he's let on and more than likely drink driving.

I think I need to leave but I'll need a good plan as he moved me away from my family and friends. I thought I could spot an abused but it seems I can't Sad

Hellothere190 · 16/08/2019 09:21

This post made me see everything clearly, I have been looking at my relationship for 3 year now wondering if it’s normal or if it’s becuse of who I am and am I the reason he acts like he does. He drinks every day, not majorly but 4 cans and if there’s anything else in the house he will maybe have another in the evening, weekends he will start about 3 until we go to bed around 10-11. I hate it when he drinks because I feel like I can’t do or say anything or it will cause an argument, I could be making a drink and he will be stood over me saying.. why haven’t you put the kettle back on it’s ring you strange one, why wouldn’t you just put it straight back on instead of next to the cup.. stacking the dish washer.. here I’ll do it I’m better. If I dare to say anything I’m a slag, cunt, shit parent, he will kick me out of the house.. he’s runed every nice event by getting drunk and his face turns like he looks at me with hate. We have just been on holiday, he started calling me a slag and a cunt because he had drank all day, fallen asleep and I had tried to wake him a number of time for dinner but when he finally did wake he went mad because I hadn’t tried to wake him when I did lots of times. I’d asked him early if
my dress was ok or if it was a little too short, he said no but now he was in a mood I was wearing my slag dress.. I got changed. I was really poorly one year, burst ear drum.. we had been working all day and he had been drinking on his lunch, he was on top note talking about other people and I was worried to say it but I said “ please can you not shout my ear is so sore and I feel so ill” well he went absolutely mental at me, it lasted about an hour where I was crying and wouldn’t leave me alone just kept following and arguing with me and when I tried to walk away he would be saying you rude bitch, you stupid slag.. I had my hair done yesterday and I took too long and it was a massive issue.. I arrived home, sat down and he said your hair looks thin.. he’s already had about 3 beers by now. When I saying can we please not argue it makes him worse.. when I tell him the name calling hurts me it’s like he feels empowered and does more.. we can’t have normal bickers because he just flys off the handle, I can say something simple like I’m so tired can you help me with the kitchen, because he will start.. you finish work at 4 I don’t get home until 6 you stupid bitch, then he will be throwing pots in and smashing a glass by accident which will be my fault.. other times I’m not aloud to do the kitchen because he’s better at it. Our kids can’t move, if they spill a drink it’s a big issue, if they leave a toy out it’s a big issue. He’s told my parents he thinks I’ll leave him if he doesn’t change, he tells me to fuck off if I think I can get better because he doesn’t care. When he isn’t in a mood he’s normalI, he can be saying all these hurtful things and then 5 mins later, what shall we have for tea lovely.. but it’s become normal like every few days where it lasts 10 mins and everything is normal again, it used to only be in a big argument. I have always been such a strong person, I have left relationships in the past for sooo much less.. why can’t I leave!! I feel so bad taking my child away from their home again.. I would have had 2 failed relationships if I leave and my child doesn’t deserve me uprooting him again!! In fact 3 failed relationships because I split up with his dad when he was 10 months old.. he’s now 11. I feel like a failer as a mother for putting him through another failed relationship and we would have to move because it’s his house. I haven’t slept for so so long, waking up having anxiety attacks and just looking at my son while he sleeps feeling so crap!

polliemath · 27/08/2019 00:07

Bump

CheerySal · 29/08/2019 14:37

Very empowering! Love it

FairyDust92 · 03/09/2019 00:21

@Hellothere190 sorry to hear you're doing through this.

my child doesn’t deserve me uprooting him again!!

You need to leave for your child. The fact you mentioned your child can't spill a drink and is pretty much on edge suggests you really need to leave. Please find the courage to leave your partner abuser if not for you but for your child.
Start a fresh by yourself and take time to focus on you and your child. You sound so unhappy. You don't want your child to feel like you put that alcoholic before him and his happiness. Leave x

LuMacedo · 13/09/2019 09:28

Hi everyone, I got out of a 12years relationship a year ago, and after all the years working alone to get a house and saving money, I unfortunately lost everything for my ex...
The thing is, that now I'm on a new relationship and I can't trust my finances to my partner.
We live together in his house, and I help with the bills, but the problem is that I can't save money for my future and I'm afraid of stay in the same position I was(no money) in a few years if something goes wrong...
What shall I do?

PollyMarchet · 16/09/2019 19:18

Hi all,
I've recently been on about 6 dates with this guy, he is quiet busy so we see each other like once every 2 weeks. He makes the effort to message me constantly and I feel like I'm playing hard to get to make him like me more but I'm not sure if it's working. He always goes in for the kiss, never me and recently I have noticed him being a bit more distant.. at the end of this I want a relationship.. I hadn't seen him a while so told him as a joke I was on a date and he straight away replied that we should go out which we then did and I told him I was only out with one of my girl friends. I want to move this forward but don't know how, we haven't slept together yet either. Should I be more loving and tell him I miss him? I think he will be a bit shocked??

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AlexA45 · 29/09/2019 18:06

here here, and well said

dgl804 · 12/11/2019 11:22

I needed to read this

BeeN77 · 22/11/2019 10:51

I, wholeheartedly, agree with every word.

I would only add that it is not just men; there are some women, who are equally guilty of the above mentioned abusive behaviour.

boringornot · 28/11/2019 12:57

I read this post at the time it was posted (10 years ago!) Shock. At the time, I thought "yeah, sure". I really thought everyone had horrible relationships, and the ones who denied it were either deluded or lying.
It took me 10 years and 2 DC to start believing that, well, maybe some people have good relationships... Maybe they're not lying.
I grew up in an abusive home, so I never knew anything different.
When I stopped normalising the things that happened in my childhood, I soon stopped normalising the things my STBXH does. And then I understood that my DCs' angry and anxious behaviour is not normal.
And then, only then, I gathered the courage to LTB. (And I'm low contact with my narcissistic mother). I feel so much lighter, I can't describe.
So much happier, and I'm not even separated yet.
So, I'm posting this, first to thank the big entity that is MN. And also to remind everyone to be patient. I've lived with abuse for 40 years. It took me a long time to even SEE it. But once we see it, we can't "unsee" it.
Wishing love to everyone here. We will get there. Flowers

boringornot · 28/11/2019 12:58

Why my emojis were turned into stars? They were supposed to be a shocked face and flowers. Anyway. Star

Emmalina21 · 01/12/2019 05:34

Oh my, you would not believe how much I needed to hear this.

Thank you and for taking your time to write it :)

billykevind · 07/12/2019 13:24

AgreeD!

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