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FAB & GLAM PART 8 - Onwards and Upwards!

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ginnny · 18/09/2008 12:16

8000 posts - how do we find so much to talk about

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Tanee58 · 20/11/2008 10:51

Morning everyone, hope there'll be some more positive news of Nick today.

Things ticking along better in the Tanee household. DP behaved quite well last night when the football clashed with Little Dorrit and Heroes (well, as he said, he was in the minority). He went to the pub, and though I said I didn't want him to feel pushed out, he said to me that actually, he quite welcomed the chance to be on his own for a bit - the house does feel rather crowded with Lodger around. We had some nice quiet time together when he came home, so I'm feeling a lot more positive. I like to think of it as not so much letting him dictate how DD and I behave, as us making some adjustments in how we deal with him - just as we would have to make adjustments if he lost a limb. I honestly don't think he uses his illness as 'an excuse' to behave badly. It just bursts out of him and I know he hates and fears that loss of control. If we can work to prevent the outbursts, we will all get along better. I think he's very afraid of seeking help - therapy will bring out a lot of feelings and memories that he's probably not ready to face yet - and maybe never will. I have known this for 20 years, so it would be heartless and unhelpful to bail out on him now. Especially as I may be on the way to finding ways of handling his 'episodes' now. DD seems willing to go along with this as long as her needs are also accommodated - it will mean keeping everyone in the loop with what we want to do and when, but it should be worth it. I'm willing to do this as I don't think DP really wants to split up - after all, I'm the strongest, most supportive woman he's ever had! And we have some really good times together .

Of course, I could (probably will) be screaming again in a few days, or weeks, but for now, I'm hopeful. And when I need to scream, I'll know my lovely Teabags are there to hold my hand. Thanks girls

Tanee58 · 20/11/2008 10:57

HW - keep screaming and stuff the MIL's H. It must be dreadful for H to be shut out of his mother's life at such a critical time. Is there any way of him visiting her without MILH knowing? Family feuds do so much harm and no one wins. My father's family used to specialise in them - caused by one particular uncle's wife - but they finally grew out of them as they got older. If you need to vent, remember we're here - and big hug to you and H.

If you keep breaking things, does that mean we're still on for a trip to Ikea in Jan?

HappyWoman · 20/11/2008 11:21

He is trying to see her without him being there but because it is a long way away there are a lot of things to sort out and so he cannot just up and go when he wants.

We have never liked her h and it is only now that there is a crisis that the full extent of his controlling behavior becomes evident. He has requested that no communication between hospital and family happen. Now if h phones the hospital they say that FIL has been informed and any infor must be through him.
I am so angry for h - he was brought up by his mum alone so they were very close once.
She married this weido just before we go married. His mum has no contact with old friends or even her own sister now.
Whist she was well we felt there was nothing we could really do - it was her own choice. But now that she is so very ill it is just wicked that he has controlled her so well.
The only real relief and this sounds so sad is if she does die she will be free of him. I try to think of myself as a very forgiving person but this just makes my blood boil. And i know it is not healthy for me.

Thanks for letting me rant on here.

Tanee58 · 20/11/2008 11:52

I really feel for you and H. And for MIL - it sounds like she married a desperately insecure man who made himself feel strong by controlling her life and is now trying to control her death. What a tragedy for her, that she was not able to free herself of him or find a way to maintain some independence whilst living with him. Maybe if she was on her own for years, she saw his control initially as love and care, until it was too late to escape or do anything about it. Isolating her from her family and friends sounds like a classic case - and he must have been sooo jealous of her closeness to her son. How difficult, and heartbreaking .

Keep ranting all you want, and I do hope H will be able to arrange things so as to see her.

HappyWoman · 20/11/2008 15:21

I think you are spot on.
I feel angry at myself for not telling her how i felt many years ago when there was still some relationship left. It is too late now as she is very ill and could well be dying - who knows as all infomation is through him. I have kept letters he has sent over the years and have today told him - and as vindictive as it may sound i hope he is really afraid that i may now reviel all (which i know i wont as it would only cause mil more distress).

I feel sick for my h as i know that if it was me i would take matters into my own hands.
H in someways feels relieved of not having been that close for many years - and because that close bond they had has weakened over the years, does not have the passion that i would if it was someone i love.

Trouble is it is causing problems between us as i begin to doubt whether h is capable of loving anyone the way i do.

I know it is the stress but i feel myself dipping into a real low again - move over dior and let me wallow with you.

Actually i have just booked an appt with gp - as i really dont feel myself on so many levels.

Baffy · 20/11/2008 16:37

PC, thinking of you lots. Thanks for the updates Kew xx

Ah Tanee, some lovely posts from you there. I can see a bit more clearly now why you want to do this, and although it sounds like a lot of hard work on your part, it does sound like it will be worth it.

HW, so sorry for the situation with mil
Perhaps your H isn?t capable of loving someone the way you do, but in loving him, you accept his differences, so don?t feel low about it. (But definitely see your go if you?re feeling that bad.)
It?s hard for people to be as perfect as us though isn?t it
Seriously though, I think one thing I?ve learnt over these past 2 years, (and it brings it all home with things like PC?s brother) is that we have to be grateful for what we?ve got and enjoy every second of it. Because life really is too short. A lot of people from this thread have made that journey to accept that even though their partners are so different, and do things we wouldn?t dream of doing, if they make you happy and you love them so much, you find a way to get through it, deal with the bad, and appreciate the good (easier said than done I know!)

I am determined to stay positive now. Not to let H get back under my skin, or ruin another Christmas, or this pregnancy for that matter. And the last few nights, ds has been really unwell, I?ve had a few really long days in work, and then been up anywhere between 7-10 times through the night. The first night I just cried and cried through it. But then I shook myself and thought right, bloody get used to it! Just wait until this lo arrives!
I want to enjoy every minute, even the hard parts. And even when it is really difficult, and H is the one out at the pub doing whatever the hell he wants, he is the one missing out. I?m so grateful for ds and this new baby ? and I?m going to make the most of every minute!

ginnny · 20/11/2008 19:42

Well said Baffy - you really are amazing.

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Kewcumber · 20/11/2008 19:50

latest update - nick is breathing unaided but sadly sill not woken up which is worrying. Just as worrying... I think PC may have to murder her mother and Nick will come round to find his mother 10ft under and his sister in clink!

Fubsy · 20/11/2008 20:41

Are the stars in some kind of crap alignement or something? Sorry to hear the rough times everyone seems to be having. Fingers still crossed for PC's brother.

I am wound up like a coiled spring - Ive got an estate agent coming to value the house tomorrow, and I am terrified of what he will say. Ive got water coming in one of the window lintels again, at just the wrong time.

I keep telling myself, that the worst that will happen is that I wont get enough to buy again and will have to rent, but I keep thinkinbg with the house in such bad repair, it either wont sell at all, or I will get buyers that will try to knock the price down so much I wont even be able to pay off my mortgage.

I watched Phil and Kirstie on Monday, and they were getting buyers to offer prices £50,000 below the asking price, and threatening to come back and offer £5000 less if it was turned down! No wonder there is a housing crisis if that sort of thing is happening.

Dior · 20/11/2008 20:49

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HappyWoman · 20/11/2008 20:51

Thanks baffy - i am feeling a bit better today - i think i just needed to let off steam and h was the nearest thing i could do it too iyswim.

He has now had a massive row with mil h, who has basically threatened him to stay away from his mum.
Needless to say - red rag to a bull and he is going to see her tomorrow - it may be the last time if he has as we suspect brainwashed her into telling the staff not to allow him to see her.
But at least he is doing all he can.
I have to work so wont be able to be with him.

Thinking of you PC and your family.

Good luck fusby for tomorrow.

Fubsy · 20/11/2008 21:17

HW - what an awful man! No wonder you need to let off steam. I dont know how anyone could stop someone seeing an ill relative, even if they had a grievance with them themselves.

Dior · 20/11/2008 21:21

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HappyWoman · 21/11/2008 07:41

H has gone today - but we both feel that he may have already brainwashed her into saying she doesnt want to see her.
H has explained to the ward staff and they seem to undersand and will let him in but if she refuses to see him there is nothing we can do. Mil h can be very charming and convincing too - but i am hoping they have seen similar before and may be able to talk some sense into mil.

He really is an evil man - and i never thought i would say that of anyone. He divorced a long time ago and i have never heard him utter a nice word about his exwife. He does not have contact with his own grown up children or grandchildren.

They have been together for a long time and tbh we have never really liked him but always felt it was for her to lead her life and h was no longer a child in need of care and so natually grew apart from her.

I have always suspected that he was controling even brainwashing her - they even joined a wacky religious group for a while. I feel guilty and sad that we did not bring this to a head earlier.

He is saying that it is her wish that she does not see her son but anyone that knows her would know she just would never say that. Lukily h brother is not outcast so we are hoping that at least he may be able to get through to her.

We have several letters that he has written over the years and may use them one day - which he is scared of us doing. Now is not the time as it would hurt mil too much.

Sad thing is she has on many occacions asked if we would 'care' for him if anything were to happen to her - we have never really given an answer - he will be left sad loney and have no family willing to care for him. What a sad way to end up.

Anyway thanks for again letting me rant.

ladylush · 21/11/2008 09:25

Oh HW - what a horrible situation I hope she does see dh when he visits. His mum's h sounds very controlling and manipulative, but the problem with these people is that they latch on to people who are vulnerable in some way and allow themselves to be controlled/manipulated. That's what makes it harder to tackle. I do hope h can make peace with his mum. Don't blame yourself for not doing anything.....this is h's family and up to him to tackle. Do you think this estrangement had anything to do with h's affair? You know me by now - always looking for underlying causes I just wondered, because h's brother was estranged from the family for about a year and I do think it affected h a lot more than he let on at the time. H is back in contact with him now and seems a lot more grounded. Stangely, his brother does not want contact with the rest of the family.

Lilyloo · 21/11/2008 10:56

Oh dear hope PC manages to resolve things with her mum without resorting to murder!
Hopefully he will come round very soon and it's just the recovery from the injury that's delaying it.
Still thinking of you all. Looked at his pic on FB good to put a face to a name!

Tanee58 · 21/11/2008 11:03

PC & Kew - hope Nick wakes soon - though I too wonder if his body is keeping him asleep to give his brain more time to recover. It sounds positive that he is breathing unaided. Still praying for you. Why is PC likely to murder her Mum??

HW - hope H manages to see MIL - you mustn't blame yourself for not interfering years ago. MIL could only have been helped if she asked for it. The dreadful thing in these situations is that you have to sit by and watch, the most you could have done was let her know you were there if she needed a refuge. But if she was content - or too browbeaten - to make a stand against him, you had no alternative but to leave them to get on with it.

Try not to feel so bad about whether H loves as much as you do. Remember how he came back to you and how he keeps showing you that he wants to keep your marriage going. If that's not love, I don't know what is! If his feelings for his mother seem to be not so strong, that's understandable as he may have felt he had to batten down his love as an act of self-preservation. Otherwise it would have been too difficult to live with being separated from his mother and knowing that she was living with a tyrant. I'm glad you're feeling a bit better today

Fubsy, good luck with the valuations. I'm a bit addicted to the property programmes - I like fantasising about living in some of the gems they find in cheaper parts of the country - like the amazing Victorian villa on 'to buy or not to buy' yesterday morning, which cost less than ours is worth, and was twice as big with loads of lovely Original Features! I do think, though, that those programmes can damage the market as they do encourage buyers to make ridiculous offers. OK, we all like a bargain, but the seller needs to be able to move, too! When I was selling my flat, my buyer made a ridiculous offer initially, and when I refused, came back immediately with something nearer the asking price - so I knew he was just taking the piss (he was an estate agent himself, and a mere year after moving in, he put the flat back on the market for a HOOOge amount. It's been a great satisfaction to me, that he has been unable to sell . Especially as I found out from my ex-neighbour who still lives in the upstairs flat, that he abuses his girlfriend). As for the buyers of DP's flat, they arsed around so much trying to get the price lower and lower and lower, that in the end we had to call their bluff and say look just sign the contract or we will put the flat back on the market. If they'd pulled out, we would have lost our own house, but the bluff paid off.

So the moral is, stand your ground Fubsy, and if you can hang on till the Spring, the market may be better all round .

Baffy, you sound so much more positive these days. How is LO percolating? It must have been exhausting for you having DS ill and wakeful whilst having to continue your work. Is there any chance of reducing your hours to get some rest? I'll tell you a funny story about when I was going through the tired phase. When I was expecting DD, my office was next to the first aid room which had a comfy bed. I used to pop in there for a nap at lunchtimes. I never overslept because there'd be phones ringing or people coming and going. One day my boss was away, and it was a very quiet afternoon - no phonecalls, and as we were in the basement, no visitors. I slept on and woke up to find it was pitch dark . I was terrified that it might be after 7pm when the caretaker locked up. Luckily it was just 6.45, or else I would have had to spend the night there !

Things with DP continue to improve. He muttered something about not being allowed to leave last night, but I kept to my new resolve not to engage in his negative thoughts and ignored it, and the conversation moved back to positives, like finishing our bedroom makeover this weekend. He refused to let DD watch the TV - but as he'd let us watch Heroes the night before, that seemed fair enough. We've been looking after a friend's TV whilst they're away - it doesn't work terribly well, but without prompting, DP said why don't we try it upstairs, as there's a TV point in our room. Unfortunately it didn't work, but it was interesting that he himself tried to offer a solution to the problem of DD's and his relaxation conflicts. I think trying to develop our own individual spaces within this house may be a way forward, and I keep talking to DD about it so as to keep her on side. Of course, setting up TV and music will cost money we don't have, but it can be a long term aim, and if we can keep the spare room rented out, it's not impossible.

So - trying to keep positive.

ginnny · 21/11/2008 13:47

Tannee lol at your long nap.
I remember when on maternity leave with ds1 I sat down at 1.30 to eat lunch and watch Neighbours, nodded off and woke up at the end wondering why it had got dark all of a sudden. I had slept all afternoon right round till the evening episode finished at 6.00
PC hope Nick wakes up soon - I can't imagine what you are going through. I'm keeping an eye on FB for updates and everything is crossed for him.

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HappyWoman · 21/11/2008 18:14

H did get to see his mum - and she is very cross with her h for being so bloody horrible to everyone.
She is too weak to fight now and has asked us both to go and see her in hospital again and to take some photos of the dc - she said she would not take them home as she knew he would destroy them. I think she knows what he is like and is now ready to accept that but is unalbe to leave now. She is happy to keep us all apart and that i think is the best solution all round.

H is a lot happier and i am feeling a lot calmer too. Thanks again you lot.

Ladylush - i too do think that h upbringing has a lot to do with his affair if that is waht you are asking.
The situation we are in now has been brewing for a while.
I have not seen mil or her h since the affair as he made it clear it was all my fault. I think secretly they wanted him to leave me.

Have a good weekend everyone.

Tanee58 · 21/11/2008 18:28

Ginnny, lol at you - seems we preggy women can't be trusted to control our power naps !

HW - so so happy that H saw his mum, and that she was happy to see him. Small triumph over stepFIL - the man sounds poisonous and he will have his reward, sadly, with a lonely old age.

DP and I are enjoy Billie Holiday and G&Ts, planning a film night with dvds as DD is having a girls night upstairs with her friends from her old school. I have looked into the price of a good cheap TV for her room and will probably get one for her for Christmas. Positive planning. Hope the rest of you have good weekends.

Onwards and upwards eh, Teabags?

Dior · 22/11/2008 08:33

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ladylush · 22/11/2008 11:23

Hw - glad h feeling better now that he has seen his mum. Also glad that she knows the score, though sad she doesn't feel strong enough to do anything about it Glad you are feeling better too

Tanee - tv for dd sounds like a great idea and under the circumstances, is not an extravagance but a necessity Hopefully then all will be happy in your household I did chuckle at the thought of you sleeping at work and nearly getting locked in for the night My tiredness hasn't been too bad, though I struggle to stay awake beyond 9pm. Mind you, last night we went for a meal with friends and didn't get back til 1am. Though I didn't get up til 10am today.

No news on PC's brother Nick?

Fubsy · 22/11/2008 17:54

Tanee, I did get locked in once - and I wasnt asleep, just working ridiculously late upstairs, and the security guy from the local hospital came along and locked up without calling to see if anyone was there!

Caused a bit of a stink when I called him out to let me out again - especially when I said I had seriously considered letting myself out of a window!

House has been valued. Its about what I thought, and if it goes for around that, i can afford something else. If not, then I may have to stay put - i will have to see what happens.

Estate agent is a friend of a friend and was also recommended by my solicitor, so I think he is reliable - he reckons things will get worse before they get better, as all the renters try to get back into the market again and push prices lower.

My problem now is how to get X to understand that he isnt due anything from me, as I know he is rubbing his hands gleefully expecting a payout when I sell. I am thinking of telling himn in an email, as he will just shout at me otherwise.

And that makes me feel so pathetic - he is still bloody well controlling me a year after he left, to the point where I am now afraid of how he will react!

The sooner I can move, hopefully put a little in the bank so I dont have to ask him for anything (babysitting, household repairs etc) the better.

Dior · 22/11/2008 19:10

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HappyWoman · 22/11/2008 20:27

Fusby - i would get your solicitor to write.

Is there any kind of maintaince for you?
Are you able to get something from him on a permanant biasis?

Hi everyone
DD birthday on monday and party tomorrow so busy yet again.

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