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I just don't know what to do anymore....

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tearfulmummy · 12/07/2008 10:58

I've name changed to do this thread. I'm a long-standing regular MNetter.

I just need some help/advice about my relationship with my DH. We have two daughters.

I have been with DH for almost 20yrs. He is a lovely caring guy, when he wants to be. He has a temper. I saw it this morning.

He works extremely hard and puts his job first and foremost in his life, even before me and the kids. This has always been a bug-bear for me. Whilst I know holding down a full-time job is important I don't see it should always come first. He is in charge of his own working day. He can make changes to his day if he chooses to. When it comes to me and the kids he won't.

He has no relationship with his parents. He blames me for that. They never liked me from day one. They've always made it obvious they don't like me. They preferred his first wife. We have not seen them for many years. They've not even met our youngest daughter. Their choice, not ours. We ring them - they put the phone down. We text them - no reply. They live a 2hr drive away. His Father once said to me on one of our first visits that I was the girlfriend on the rebound. He has also called me some vicious names in the past and has made some very threatening comments about my family. As a result I do not like or trust DH's family.

DH's temper was awful this morning. I told him I'd had enough of being stuck at home. I desperately want to go back to work but I have the children to consider. My youngest is due to start school this Autumn but finding a job that will fit with school-runs is almost impossible around here. The schools themselves have no part-time work either. I told him I'd love to go out one evening, even just for a drink, but there is no-one to have the kids. I have friends but I don't like to ask them. DH has no friends - he is always too wrapped up with work to keep his mates outside work.

I told him to f-off this morning. I'd had enough. He keeps me awake with his snoring. He doesn't come to bed until the early hours because he watches rubbish on tv. He wakes me up when he comes to bed. We have no sex life whatsoever. I can't remember the last time we had sex - must be last year. When I told him to f-off this morning his reply was 'ok, I'm off'. I told him not to come back. His reply was 'ok, fine'. He was stood at the stairs and he told me to push him down the stairs. He kept telling me to push him...'come on push me down the stairs then'. Needless to say I didn't.

We have no money. We are fully skint. I am struggling to keep our fridge full. DH's money is good but with our mortgage and general outgoings we have next to nothing to live off. I have a car which I've considered getting rid of but I know if I do I'll need it for some emergency or other. I have an elderly Mum who doesn't drive and lives 10 miles away. My Dad died some years ago. I can't get rid of the car in case she needs me. I can't afford to run the car but its legal, that's about it.

I worry that the kids are picking up on the bad state of my relationship with DH. He does nothing to help himself. He is a good Dad but has no patience with them. I'm often telling him to calm it with the kids because its all too easy for him to raise his voice with them. The eldest is now becoming quite scared of him and his temper. He has never hurt them. He's not like that but his shouting and temper is scaring her. She comes to me when he's like that.

I can't afford to be living on my own with the kids. We don't have the money to survive. He has nowhere to go anyway. He'll never leave. His parents won't want him. He has no other family.

Y'know what though. I do love him. But I don't love him the same way I used to love him. I don't feel close to him anymore. We don't kiss or cuddle. I hate this. What do I do? xxx

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Limara · 12/07/2008 22:19

Very occasionally at the weekend, I suggest he takes the kids down the park - I have to go too so he says as it's family time in his eyes. Now I do understand where he's coming from but fgs, can't he just spend an hr with his dc's? Sorting this situation out just pisses me off, by the time he leaves, I'm usually cheering behind the door and punching the air. What's that all about?

When he's gone, I don't sit on my arse, I'll do lunch ready for their return or polish the brass.

ARGHHHH...

Limara · 12/07/2008 22:21

Toast was nice, Warburtons white loaf with lots of lurpack, nice mmmmmmm

izyboy · 12/07/2008 22:22

Yep he really should have 1 to 1 time. Dh takes both the DCs to football at my insistance on Sat. I spend the time cleaning (oh and checking e-bay and Mumsnet - dont tell DH lol - knows my wicked ways).

izyboy · 12/07/2008 22:26

Oh I LOVE the really salty Brittany butter with crunchy seasalt crystals (ASDA) - I am heading for a stroke I know it!

Limara · 12/07/2008 22:33

What is this Brittany butter with crunchy seasalt crystals you speak of? I must pur-chase- it

I am a 10-10.30 snack attacker. Anything savoury will do I just need snacks!

Off to browse food shelf for more 'snackin' and drown my sorrows as can't with booze...

izyboy · 12/07/2008 22:40

Oh gosh yes the booze thing bit of a bummer on a Sat night - mm I've only just had my dinner (courtesy of dh who has stood in while I advise/row on Mumsnet). Snacks - I love pringles specially sourcream.

VeniVidiVickiQV · 12/07/2008 22:42

Sounds like you are both feeling quite low and demoralised for various reasons.

Seems like you could both do with seeing each others side of the fence too. I don't think either of you are having a particularly fantastic time for one reason or another, and that if one of you made the first move towards recognising the difficult life the other has, then it'd be reciprocated and you'd probably both start working together towards a common goal.

Obviously, that's a very simplified statement, but it is essentially the problem.

You have both got stuck in a rut. You are both unhappy about the crap that life appears to have dealt you. You both seem to look to each other when reasoning why this has happened to you.

It's easy to forget that although your partner doesnt have the same trials, tribulations, stresses and responsibilities that you do, they have plenty of their own that you probably are unaware of. And these stresses dont have to be tangible things like working long hours, mad dashes of school runs and shopping and cleaning. It can be the unspoken pressure to earn enough to cover the bills, or the unspoken responsibility of being the one to always sort childcare.

I think some acquiescence is required on both sides really. Acknowledge each others' roles, or, agreeing to redefine them.

You have both got to work together to get through this, and if he can't see how difficult things are for you (you probably make it look easy.....), then it's down to you to make sure he knows. And vice versa.

Life can be shit sometimes. But we are all the masters of our own destiny.

Limara · 12/07/2008 22:45

mmm pringles mmmm . I've got skips and hoola hoops in the draw but what I really want is cheese & biscuits but no biscuits for cheese left, ate them last night
Note to self: buy bulk next time

izyboy · 12/07/2008 22:47

Lol Limara 'night 'night I leave you to your cheesy dreams. 'Night 'night TM hugs to you both.

Limara · 12/07/2008 22:50

Night night and hugs to you all as I can no longer see because I am sad and have been on here for friggin donkeys god bless xx

lucyellensmum · 13/07/2008 14:30

TM i hope you have a brighter day today. Your DH sounds pretty down too - you sound like a very loving and caring partner, he is lucky to have you. Time for a holiday! really.

tearfulmummy · 13/07/2008 18:59

Hi LEM and thank you for your kind words. I do try to be a kind caring partner and Mum. Honestly. I do try! Perhaps I try too hard?!

We've had a quieter day today. A nice chilled out day. Needed to really.

As for a holiday? Yes we'd love one but money unfortunately won't stretch that far.

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lucyellensmum · 13/07/2008 21:29

TM, post on here to see if anyone has any spare tokens for the Sun Holiday offer that they had last week, you never know - or contact the Sun directly. You can go pretty much anywhere for £40!! From full on chavtastical hidehi (what we opted for) or something more sedate. It might be worth a punt. I know what you mean about the holiday and money, if it wasn't for this we wouldnt be going and this will be our first holiday for four years. If i am totally honest, there is ALOT riding on it.

Right, can i ask a totally sensitive and out of order question?? Why don't you have sex? Is that you or him?

lucyellensmum · 13/07/2008 22:51

TM i hope you don't mind, but i noticed This and did an ask on your behalf. Give it a go, with an open mind, you'll have a great time.

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Quattrocento · 13/07/2008 23:37

I really think the solution to this is work.

You need to work to get out of the house, develop/grow some self-esteem, and get some money.

You need to fix yourself before/as part of fixing the relationship IMO

Good luck

PS Find a babysitter

Monty100 · 14/07/2008 00:48

Tearfulmummy, don't let any of the above hurt you. Ignore the negatives and embrace the positives. Can't believe the lack of sympathy/empathy/support and the bickering in some of those posts.

I think a chat with your gp might help and if you need some medication to pick you up go with it.

It sounds to me like you and dh love each other very much but are fighting from different corners, he working really hard to support the family financially and you at home giving the dd's the love you both want them to have, and as much as you obviously adore dd's, after 10 years it's quite understandable you are getting bored/frustrated/lonely. I have two dc's and I adore them. I have to work full time (I have to say for financial reasons I have to) but just on one week staying at home on a weeks leave with the dc's I've found myself close to tears clearing up the kitchen.....again. How tedious. Ten years? No thanks. Sorry I digress I hope you understand what I mean there, I sympathise!

Take it slowly, see if medication picks you up a bit and go from there, or without medication even if you can. You've made a move by posting on here, and you certainly don't sound like any shrinking violet. Talk to dh about it too. And you two should get in touch with each other again too, metaphorically, literally, whatever. Sorry it's late, hope this makes sense and even more I hope it helps. best wishes, and don't give up on a loving marriage til you try it a different way. xx

tearfulmummy · 14/07/2008 10:31

Thank you LEM. You really are such a lovely MNetter.

DH and I discussed going away over the weekend. Even if its just for one night occasionally. I've looked up how much a night in a Travelodge would be. We could make a long weekend of it - ie leave really early one morning and come home late the following day. I will probably look around for some deals next.

DH and I are getting on ok. I've not been very well all weekend so I've been glad not to have too many in-depth discussions about anything in particular. What we have spoken about is money. He has some share dividends due in August (we have shares with his employer) which will make life a little easier over the coming months. I've just applied for a job (saw it on Friday) at the school DD2 is due to start at in the Autumn so I'm waiting to hear about that. The Headmistress has already rung, following my application form going in, to have a chat about the job and I've agreed to an interview this week. So fingers crossed I should be working part-time in a few weeks.

Having re-read my OP on this thread its hard to believe that was 'me'. I know it was me but after having had a couple of reasonable days I feel a little bit better already. When I get down I get very down. I seem to fall down and it can take me a while to start to climb back up again, iykwim. I know I have myself to blame for letting myself get so low. When I am next at the Drs, which will be fairly soon, I will ask about ADs. I've asked in the past and was advised not to because my GP felt I could cope without and that I'd find it hard to come off of them. I took his advice and stayed away from ADs. Perhaps he was right. Perhaps he was wrong. I don't know.

What I do know is there are some people who have been extremely kind on this thread and one in particular.....lucyellensmum - you are simply lovely. That was a very kind gesture making a mention of me on the Sun Holiday thread. I walked home from school this morning thinking about it (I logged on earlier) and was nodding my head in disbelief. What an extremely kind thing to do for me. I have had chats with you before on different threads (using my real MN name) and you have always shone through. Thank you.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

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izyboy · 14/07/2008 10:36

That's a really generous thing to do LEM I hope TM is is a position to give it some serious thought.

I am a bit confused regarding some of the comments about 'bickering'.

I am hoping that type of comment is not directed at me as I was really trying to support TM's position the other day. I even apologised if in doing so I overstepped the mark. I for one do not enjoy seeing someone brought down by unsympathetic didactic posts.

I fully appreciate that although there seems obvious solutions, at times it is hard to act on them if you are feeling low and depressed. Glad you had a better day yesterday TM. Hugs

izyboy · 14/07/2008 10:39

Just read your post TM thats sounding really positive re the break, job and even ol'DH good on ya' girl

Lizzylou · 14/07/2008 10:48

TM, I am so pleased to "hear" you sounding so positive.
You already sound like a different person, great news about the job and shares, worrying about money puts such a strain on a relationship (don't I know it!).
Really glad to see things are getting better for you

tearfulmummy · 14/07/2008 10:49

Thank you izyboy. I am trying to make life better for us, as is DH. He knows how fed up I've been just lately but he has this bloody annoying tendency to walk away and ignore it when all I want is a reassuring cuddle or just some indication from him that he cares. He is the least romantic of men on this earth.

Someone asked about our sex life - and why don't we have one anymore. Simple answer to that one is sheer tiredness on both our parts. Also I have never been one to instigate it since I had an horrific time delivering DD2. She, you could say, left me so badly damaged that sex is almost impossible because it hurts too much. (Blimey...I'm glad I'm not using my real MN name.....) DH doesn't make an issue out of our lack of a sex life - he never has - although I can appreciate he is a very fit and healthy red-blooded male! We do often wake up and have a cuddle in the mornings but it only takes one of us to go for a wee or go and make a drink and we've got both the kids bouncing off the end of our bed.

As regards the bickering izyboy....this thread did get a bit that way on Saturday and at one point I walked away for a short time because I couldn't quite believe what was being posted. At one point I lost my way with it because some of the replies seemed to drift away from my OP. Anyway, like I've said before, I am grateful for the replies and yes you have all helped in one way or another.

I will strive to continue feeling better. I have to in order to save my marriage and to ensure my kids have a Happy Mummy. xxx

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izyboy · 14/07/2008 10:59

The damage from childbirth and lack of sex is certainly depressing in itself.

Yep the posts did drift a bit on Sat but like I said, cant stand to see people being 'told' to stop 'whining' and 'get on with it' when they are trying their best under difficult circumstances.

However lovely to hear a bit more positive stuff for you now.

littlewoman · 14/07/2008 11:09

With regard to findtheriver's question - I'm not having a dig. Truly not. But FTR is possibly quite an assertive person who can't imagine having a partner who would brook no argument or discussion. Sadly, some partners are not interested in your pov. My xh was exactly the same and I have been where TM is, and Limara, and LEM. Sadly I never found a solution and it went from bad to worse until we divorced. I put up with everything because I'm very passive, then I exploded and blew it all out of the water. Perhaps these ladies are also a bit like that?

I know the one thing that would have helped me in those days were some caring ladies who could have boosted my self-esteem. It's a total lack of self-esteem and self-identity issue, imo. So self-affirming replies are really helpful in these cases.

tearfulmummy · 14/07/2008 11:33

Y'know what? My delightful DD2 who is 4yrs old has just found her scissors...y'know the ones with jagged edges that are perfectly safe and she's outside in the garden busy cutting all the dead flowers off the plants! She's in her element. She's told me that there is a blade of 'bread grass' in the garden that must be left alone. I asked her why it was 'bread grass' and she said its because it has a head on it (looks like a piece of wheat) that you can make bread from. I asked her where she learnt it and she replied 'Oh Aunty Mabel and Pippin' (ie tv!). She's also just found a 'dieded ladybird' - and she's a bit upset about that so has put a flower next to it to make it happy again.

Times like this I realise how lucky I am.

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