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I just don't know what to do anymore....

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tearfulmummy · 12/07/2008 10:58

I've name changed to do this thread. I'm a long-standing regular MNetter.

I just need some help/advice about my relationship with my DH. We have two daughters.

I have been with DH for almost 20yrs. He is a lovely caring guy, when he wants to be. He has a temper. I saw it this morning.

He works extremely hard and puts his job first and foremost in his life, even before me and the kids. This has always been a bug-bear for me. Whilst I know holding down a full-time job is important I don't see it should always come first. He is in charge of his own working day. He can make changes to his day if he chooses to. When it comes to me and the kids he won't.

He has no relationship with his parents. He blames me for that. They never liked me from day one. They've always made it obvious they don't like me. They preferred his first wife. We have not seen them for many years. They've not even met our youngest daughter. Their choice, not ours. We ring them - they put the phone down. We text them - no reply. They live a 2hr drive away. His Father once said to me on one of our first visits that I was the girlfriend on the rebound. He has also called me some vicious names in the past and has made some very threatening comments about my family. As a result I do not like or trust DH's family.

DH's temper was awful this morning. I told him I'd had enough of being stuck at home. I desperately want to go back to work but I have the children to consider. My youngest is due to start school this Autumn but finding a job that will fit with school-runs is almost impossible around here. The schools themselves have no part-time work either. I told him I'd love to go out one evening, even just for a drink, but there is no-one to have the kids. I have friends but I don't like to ask them. DH has no friends - he is always too wrapped up with work to keep his mates outside work.

I told him to f-off this morning. I'd had enough. He keeps me awake with his snoring. He doesn't come to bed until the early hours because he watches rubbish on tv. He wakes me up when he comes to bed. We have no sex life whatsoever. I can't remember the last time we had sex - must be last year. When I told him to f-off this morning his reply was 'ok, I'm off'. I told him not to come back. His reply was 'ok, fine'. He was stood at the stairs and he told me to push him down the stairs. He kept telling me to push him...'come on push me down the stairs then'. Needless to say I didn't.

We have no money. We are fully skint. I am struggling to keep our fridge full. DH's money is good but with our mortgage and general outgoings we have next to nothing to live off. I have a car which I've considered getting rid of but I know if I do I'll need it for some emergency or other. I have an elderly Mum who doesn't drive and lives 10 miles away. My Dad died some years ago. I can't get rid of the car in case she needs me. I can't afford to run the car but its legal, that's about it.

I worry that the kids are picking up on the bad state of my relationship with DH. He does nothing to help himself. He is a good Dad but has no patience with them. I'm often telling him to calm it with the kids because its all too easy for him to raise his voice with them. The eldest is now becoming quite scared of him and his temper. He has never hurt them. He's not like that but his shouting and temper is scaring her. She comes to me when he's like that.

I can't afford to be living on my own with the kids. We don't have the money to survive. He has nowhere to go anyway. He'll never leave. His parents won't want him. He has no other family.

Y'know what though. I do love him. But I don't love him the same way I used to love him. I don't feel close to him anymore. We don't kiss or cuddle. I hate this. What do I do? xxx

OP posts:
Lizzylou · 12/07/2008 14:36

I understand your concerns, but you are obviously low and feeling down about yourself. I think you need to put yourself first a bit and think about what will make you happy. That will benefit your family too in the long run.

Dior · 12/07/2008 14:38

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ICantFindAFreeNickName · 12/07/2008 15:04

I know it will not help you money situation, but how about offering to volunteer somewhere in September. Lots of schools & charity shops rely on unpaid helpers. They are normally gratful for any help, and you should be able to sort out some hours to suit you both. Just getting out of the house and realising that you can do other things might help boost your confidence. Also it will be something to put on your cv when you feel ready to start looking for work.

littlewoman · 12/07/2008 15:07

Although you say you quite like it when he's away, I don't get the impression you would like it if he was gone totally, TM. Forgive my saying so, but do you prefer his absence, because his presence is a constant reminder that you are not getting along too well?

littlewoman · 12/07/2008 15:09

Personally, I think you should make him watch the film 'Click' and then tell him that's how you feel at the moment. Have you seen it?

findtheriver · 12/07/2008 15:12

I know some of the posts here seem a bit harsh, but I agree that YOU, OP, need to take control of your life. There aren't any jobs that fit in around the school run? Well, get real, find a childminder and get another job. Most jobs DON'T fit around the school run! You just find other ways of managing. You seem to want your DH for the financial benefits he brings, but then slag him off for about every aspect of his life. He can't be happy either if you are feeling like this. It's no good going through life resenting every one else because things don't exactly suit you.

lucyellensmum · 12/07/2008 15:20

TM, are you me??? Really?? Are you?? LEM checks herself to make sure she hasn't transported herself into another mumsnetter.

Relationship problems - check
money problems - double check
SAHM battling and wanting a job to fit around children - check
Not able to see any positives at all - check check check.
Wanting support from mumsnet - check
Getting support from mumsnet - check check check
Sometimes getting a kick up the arse from mumsnet - check.

I have had someone shout at me in the way MTA has done, i told her to fuck off.

BUT there was an element of truth in what she was saying. When i am on a downer my posts are so negative and it doesnt matter what people suggest, i always have a yes but. When i am in a state like that i cannot see out of the black hole, yes its self pity, but well, tough titty, i can't help it sometimes, as you say, it just gets too much. So, whilst i am not one to offer sympathy because i hate all that "poor baby" stuff (makes me worse) i can definately offer some empathy, because i DO understand how it is, i really do.

So, you are a SAHM at the moment, some major issues with his family, well cross that one off the list - THEIR problem not yours, and they don't sound like much of a loss to your DH.

No jobs in your area? There will be if you look in the right places. Im sure. I am a scientist "by trade" and there really not much in the way of suitable jobs for me in this area, i would have to commute and im not willing to do that, even when DD goes to school as i dont want to get home at 7 or 8 at night, her bedtime. So, its a change of career for me - im going to be a teacher. Next year, when DD starts school im going to do my PGCE. Have you thought about this? or teaching assistant? That way you dont have to stress about holidays etc - you can get some experience in local schools, ask if you can shadow for a couple of days, see if its an idea you might like.

Don't feel bad about the money situation, you have children that need their mummy, i too couldnt bear to put DD in full time childcare - please don't feel guilty for that.

Now the difficult bit - DH, now, this might sound harsh too, but i really don't mean it to be. I almost thought MTA was the same poster who said some horrible things to me about my DP. This person told me i must be an utter burden, well yes, she is probably right, how being told that helps i don't know . BUT, we are under financial strain, my DP shoulders most, if not all of this stress. Then i add to it by being miserable, irritable and a nag - in the past few years when we have really battled with money, i have seen him change into a man with a temper. He would never ever hit me (he wouldnt DARE! - believe me, his temper is nothing compared to mine)i hastent to add. But he has said some horrible thigns, just as i do. I have to sometimes, hold myself back from saying things, it makes things worse, that sounds awfully subserviant and submissive but its not, its about weighing up the situation and recognising that you are potentially pushing someone to boiling point. I do this alot .

What i am trying to say re DH, is don't necessarily take his behaviour to heart. He might be battling too, i know mine is. I have asked him to come to counseeling with me, he refused, he could NEVER do that. It just means he needs to sort things out in his own way. Maybe your DH is like my DP.

He might feel like you do sometimes, so stressed out that he can't see past his own problems.

What about going on one of those Sun holidays, im sure it wont be too late to sort something out. It will be cheap and cheerful, but it will be a break!

The last thing i have to say is, please go to your doctor. You sound like me so much it is scary. I am on anti-deppressants and they help so much. DP and I were on the verge of splitting and these things saved my relationship. I just think that when you get SO down, the way you are (i am too) it becomes physical and you need something to help you see the wood for the trees.

The last thing you need is someone telling you to pull yourself together, because unless you have been there, you just don't know, you really have no-idea

You say you adore your children, that is wonderful it really is. I bet you are a fantastic mum, and that counts for so much. I bet your DH is more proud of you then he lets on.

Do you think you have become clingy though? A friend of mine said that since she has been at home that she has got clingy with her DH and its awkward - perhaps in the meantime before getting a job, you could take on some voluntary work, just to give you something to focus on?

Please try to find some positives, i know it is hard i really really do - almost impossible but they are out there.

LEM is now going to save this post and post it to herself when she hits rock bottom again (never take my own bloody advice).

Take care - and don't be put off by the harsh posts, sometimes i think people think that is helpful, sometimes it is, but there are times when it is the last thing you need.
However, im sure they were all meant well.

rookiemater · 12/07/2008 15:20

Ok I don't want to wade in and offer advice on your relationship because it's hard to tell from your posts if separating is the answer, or if you need to start by doing more for yourself.

I do however have a few ideas about jobs you can do around school runs. How about joining a cleaning agency when the children go back to school ? It's not brilliant money but its more than minimum wage and its something that can be done during the day.
Or you could offer a home ironing service. You have a car so can do pick ups and drop offs.

lucyellensmum · 12/07/2008 15:21

Christ, that was long - sorry

tearfulmummy · 12/07/2008 15:23

findtheriver...I do not want my DH for the 'financial benefits he brings'....bloody hell you are so wrong there. I could quite easily earn what he earns if I didn't have the kids to think about, care for. You make it sound as though I only stay with him because he's the wage-earner. I stay with him because I do love him and I know he loves me.

I am envious of the fact he is the one that goes out to work. I would love to be the one who gets up in the morning, only has herself to think about to get ready, only has herself to find breakfast for and to leave looking smart and going off to work and to be 'me'.

I am left with the task of getting two kids up, dressed, fed, off to school, having one still at home with me who ony does two days a week at playgroup, having all the chores Mums have to do and not having a break.

Yes I chose to have kids. Yes I chose to be a SAHM. But after ten years I've had enough.

Is it unheard of for a Mum to be unhappy? To be low on confidence and self esteem? To be thoroughly miserable with what she has/doesn't have?

Maybe I am being a selfish cow. Maybe I am simply an unhappy selfish cow too.

OP posts:
tearfulmummy · 12/07/2008 15:27

lucyellensmum...thank youxxxxx

I've read every word of your lovely post. You are an inspiration. It was just the post I needed. I'm wiping away my tears.xxxx

OP posts:
lucyellensmum · 12/07/2008 15:28

TM, ten years is a long time to be home, i would be climbing the walls too Your posts are extremely articulate, so you are obviously intelligent. Start looking at either picking up your career or finding courses for returning mothers. There is stuff out there but its not always obvious - a friend of mine is doing something similar to this for scientists returning to the lab, which is no mean feat the way things move in science - she is thoroughly enjoying it.

I think if you feel that you are constantly having to defend yourself on this thread, you should switch your computor off, go for a walk, weed the garden, anything to take your mind off of things, ive been there and i think its counterproductive.

lucyellensmum · 12/07/2008 15:30

x-posts TM, thats a lovely thing to say - i just type things the way i see them (i offend people lots too im sure).

I prescribe a nice bottle of wine and some choccies tonight if that helps!

Lizzylou · 12/07/2008 15:31

You are not being a selfish cow.
You are feeling low and need to find a way of making yourself happier and your life better, thats all.
Believe me, I completely understand, I have been so down about giving up my career and losing my identity to a certain point.

Lucyellen, your post was wonderful.

littlewoman · 12/07/2008 15:34

No, really, you aren't a selfish cow, TM. You aren't. Did you know that being a sahm is one very good route to mental ilness, most especially depression? I swear that is true, I did it in psychology. Might you consider AD's? I'm on 2 prozac a day, and they are a life saver. I was suicidal a couple of weeks ago. Whilst they are clearly not a long term solution, they can help you over a bad period.

Excellent words, LEM, and good advice RM.

izyboy · 12/07/2008 16:48

Bloody hell some people really know how to put the boot in don't they MIA?!!!!! GET A DECENT ATTITUDE LOVE. Rarely am I moved to be rude to someone but she has an demeanour that stinks.

It can be a very isolating being a SAHM especially if you have nobody to bounce ideas off and have a moan to now and then.

I think it is true that you may have to be a little bit flexible with the childcare thing in order to get a job. Does the school have an afterschool club? I have sometimes felt cautious about using childcare but lots of kids love it. Often childminders have more energy!! My little boy complains bitterly if he cant go to nursery after preschool.

Hopefully having a bit more money and independence will help the family situation in lots of ways.

And moan away - that's what we're here for - ignore crabby people like MIA!

izyboy · 12/07/2008 16:49

When I say job - something that is a bit more satisfying than what you do now

findtheriver · 12/07/2008 16:50

tearfulmummy - ok, you do want your husband for more than just the money he brings in, but I still feel that the OP was seething with resentment about all sorts of things - his snoring, his parents, what he watches on telly, his work....
When you are feeling so low, it's easy to see the negatives in everything. I still think you need to look at what YOU can do to change your life in a positive way. Once you start to feel more positive about yourself, then you can start to see the good in others around you. You say you are envious of your DH being the one going to work; that you've had enough of being a SAHM after 10 years. So, look around for what jobs there are about, look at retraining/refresher courses, whatever you need to do to make it happen. It doesnt have to be your DH at work or you at work - you can both do it!! Particularly with both your children in school soon - for goodness sake you won't even have huge childcare bills!! But you need to be realistic. Things won't just fall into your lap. If you wait around for someone to give you a job where you can do every school run, and be around for every school holiday, you'll probably be still waiting in 10 years time. Basically there are two approaches to life - can do and can't do. Those with a pessimistic outlook will see all the negatives - can't work because it doesnt fit with the school run, or can work, because you'll set about finding childcare. LEM writes some excellent posts, and has been through the mill herself so she knows how it feels to just concentrate on the downsides. No one is saying any of this is easy, but you don't need to be living a life where you are constantly disatisfied - and it's not any good for your children either.

izyboy · 12/07/2008 16:56

Find the river your posts read as if you are telling off a naughty child.

dittany · 12/07/2008 17:11

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izyboy · 12/07/2008 17:25

Agree Dittany plus I think it bolsters some people's flagging self esteem to take a superior attitude when writing so called 'helpful' posts. MIA and Findtheriver you know who you are 'for goodness sake!!!'

findtheriver · 12/07/2008 17:42

I think resentment is a negative force dittany. It is pointless for one parent, mother or father, to resent the other, either because they are at home or in work. If you aren't happy with your life as it is, then take steps to change it! No one can be responsible 100% for someone else's happiness or self esteem. I dont see it as 'putting the boot in' to suggest that a woman has the right, and the capacity, to make changes in her life for the better. The OP is evry disatisfied with her lot, and she's obviously bothered enough to post about it, so I assume she wants things to be different.

tearfulmummy · 12/07/2008 17:42

Findtheriver...for your information I have tried and tried for about the last 2yrs to find a job that will fit in around the kids.

FYI I have registered with the job centre. I regularly look on the local Council website for school jobs. I have even applied for jobs in my local library (weekends). I buy the local paper every Friday and scour the job section. Yes there are a few jobs in there but most ask for longer hours than I can offer.

I DO NOT expect a job to land in my lap. I know that. FGS I am a bloody 40yr old woman!

I know that no-one is going to hand me a job. I know I have to go out and get one. I have learnt over the years that you have to work to get what you want and work hard.

I do not simply see DH as the income earner in this house. He is equally a parent to our kids. He is my husband. He has been a great support to me for almost 20yrs. I find it quite insulting that you have referred to him as simply the one who brings in the money and that is reason why I stay with him. I could quite easily earn myself a decent wage but I have the responsibility of children. He does not.

Yes I could hand them to after school clubs and childminders but that is not what I want to do. I want to find a job that will work in with the schools that both my kids will go to. After school clubs cost money and only one of the kids could go to them. I would still have the picking up of DD2. I have no one who can do those school runs for me. I have mates but they have kids of their own. They would help me as a one-off but there is no way I could expect them to help me on a permanent basis.

At the end of the day I don't need to justify why I can't do this or that to the likes of findmeariver or MTA. All I asked was for some help/support. I am what I am. I have the family I have. We have the debts we have. Life is crap. I'm fed up with those few posts making me out to be a somewhat selfish irresponsible adult when I'm in fact I'm not! I'm not like that at all. I am just a tired and very fed up Mum and I'm sure there's lots of you out there just like me.

OP posts:
findtheriver · 12/07/2008 17:48

'I have the responsibility of children. He does not.'

  • TearfulMummy - this sums up the problem doesnt it. If you see yourselves
as equal parents then why do you see the children as your responsibility?
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