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Boyfriend strange with money

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Midfortiescamb · Yesterday 23:00

My boyfriend is confusing me. Been together about 1.5 years, both 47, divorced. I have three kids, shared custody, he has two who are 15 and 12 and he sees every other weekend. He's lovely with my kids and easy to be around, bit over chatty but fine. He's generally kind and patient and has gotten over pushing us to live together which was driven by the fact that he hates paying rent but has now put an offer in on buying his own house. There's a money issue though and I've tried to be fair and patient...on our first date he didn't take his card out to pay, so I did and he later said he liked that I didn't expect him to pay (I didn't tbh but told myself why should the man pay). He paid for our second date in a simple Vietnamese place but I could feel his tension shuffling his cards choosing which one. But he was sweet so we carried on. Our first road trip he drove so I offered petrol money, he accepted and from then on it was clear I'd pay half for petrol. Meals were always split. I spoiled him as I like to on his bday in a lovely restaurant and gifts etc. On my bday he got me a pair of earrings on sale on Etsy which were pretty and took me to a restaurant but tensely said 'is this the kind of place you get starters' so I obviously said no need and only got a cheap main. He told me the other part of my gift was he'd take me for a hike and I wouldn't have to pay half for petrol. He cried a bit the next morning after I was honest after he asked me were the gifts not good and I gently said that petrol thing wasn't really normal. A few weeks later when he said he wanted to see me so would go to his fave Chinese on the way and bring it to mine without offering to get me some I calmly told him I'm struggling with this constant splitting of things, he should trust that I'm not after his money and I took him out to celebrate his new job etc. I am a generous person. To make up for the bday he bought me flowers but mentioned how they're good value in Morrissons, where they were from. Fast forward to this bday coming up in two weeks...I was honestly so nervous about him spoiling it so I booked myself a cottage in Wales for a couple of days and it hurt him but I told him to please not take it personally. My ex husband upset me on my bdays and I could do with a couple of days to myself but really, I know boyfriend isn't good at romance and I couldn't face another awkward meal. Anyway, twice over the last few weeks he has mentioned how he budgeted for my present (a hot water bottle) last month so this month he's budgeting for the meal. He earns £50k and only gives his ex wife the amount the child support calculator asks of him which is around £200 ish per month, he says because she gets children's allowance: not my business but I do think kids cost more and his daughter is autistic so needs therapy. Anyway, he then asked whether I want to go to the restaurants i took him to on my bday, I said, please - you choose. He said 'I'll just take you to the one you took me to'. I said to him, my love, please can we just not do bdays, anniversaries, Xmas (he got me a five pack of socks)...let's free ourselves, there's something awkward/tense with money and its making me uncomfortable, feeling like work/burden. He got very upset and said he couldn't feel more hurt or empty and is now not really talking to me! Its been 2 days. I told him he'd never expressed any kind of excitement about my bday and I just don't want this heaviness. There are just so many money orientated odd things...like he bought me pink salt and I said it was lovely and he said '£1'. I know his ex wife said he was controlling about money but he said she expected him to be the bread winner and was financially abusive: obviously I don't know the full story. It all just feels so awkward and I don't like how he's gone cold. Otherwise he's very affectionate and sweet....not selfish in bed but a bit predictable. Anyway....thoughts?

OP posts:
Jennalong · Today 08:29

I don't get men like this at all . I've been married for years now but when I met mine ( online ) we lived near 200 miles in distance . He came to my area booked himself in a hotel for the night , bought me flowers and we went for a meal ( he paid )
We met up like that for awhile as we were getting to know each other .

Fast forward when we were getting serious to think about living together . He had a better job and had his own house and his area was nicer than mine so I moved to his area .

He told me he didn't expect me to pay rent as I'd made the decision to uproot myself and no job initially but no rush to find one as he would be happy for me to find my feet in the area before getting a job .so

So I was basically a kept woman for a few months whilst I was establishing myself with my new life .

I am not saying that every man should be like that , but stinginess is very unattractive .

Bikergran · Today 08:38

There's a Yorkshire phrase that springs to mind here which is "tighter than a duck's arse". Dump him, he's a mean sod, and HE WILL NEVER CHANGE. Spend your money on yourself and leave him in his own miserly little world to moan about gold-diggers.

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · Today 08:39

My XP was like this. Very very tight with money. We couldn't go out for a coffee because he would look at the menus in the windows of cafes and say 'it's free at home,' or the good old Yorkshire ' 'OW MUCH?!'

It was all right most of the time, but I did get tired of never being able to just go and get a coffee - if I suggested it he would agree but stand behind me in the queue so I had to pay for both of us (and I started out thinking 'well I suggested it so I should pay, but he NEVER suggested it...)

He was ND, and I thought I could overlook it (I am also ND) but in the end it got that he would take advantage of the things I paid for (if I took us away for the weekend he'd eat all the food offered but never reciprocate) and it became unsustainable. Lovely man, kind and sweet but couldn't understand 'treats' or 'just because I can' money.

Sparkletastic · Today 08:39

VoltaireMittyDream · Today 00:25

This.

Extreme fear of waste (almost as though it’s against the law), insistence on ‘fairness’ over treating people, huge emotional overreaction when you explain kindly and gently what feels odd or uncaring about his approach or what you might like better. Huge stress around birthdays or special occasions. Gifts that are some combination of cheap and perfunctory and soullessly practical and/or self-serving in some way, and genuinely no way of understanding of why this is hurtful no matter how often you explain. Nuance passing him by, not understanding why it’s important to be nice / complimentary / reassuring, etc etc

All textbook

Edited

Yep. Married to one of these and identifying strongly with these comments.

chocoluv · Today 08:40

Relationships are not meant to be this difficult.

You shouldn’t be treading on egg shells or not celebrating events to avoid one or both of you crying - like it’s literally not normal.

I’m wondering why you’re wasting your time on him.
Considering this is quite a new relationship, do you not think that you’re just incompatible and to go find someone better?

DrumsPleaseFab · Today 08:41

He is tight with money, that will not change

you are overly accommodating to this and putting his needs (being tight with money) above your own feelings and thoughts

so, by putting his needs first, and yours second, thus relationship can work I guess but do you really want to be accommodating and a bit of a doormat for the pleasure of just being with him? Is he that great?

MellowRedHiker · Today 08:42

bigboykitty · Yesterday 23:06

He's stingy. He's ripping off his children and he's destroying your relationship with his meanness. He won't change. You should not accept this.

I totally agree. He is NOT going to change. Take this quiet period to fade gently out of each other's lives...and go live your own. You know you deserve better and you won't find that peace with him, I'm afraid. Good luck!

luckylavender · Today 08:43

Midfortiescamb · Yesterday 23:07

Thank you. Its confusing because when he has his kids or me he cooks lovely food etc. But there's always the precise amount, not more. Ugh.

Don't spend any more of your life with this. You're not compatible.

YesIKnowThatThankyou · Today 08:44

RoseOliviaAu · Today 07:15

No it’s not… it’s £3.2k after tax. Take away pension and it’s £3040

Apologies - you're right, sorry.

Imdunfer · Today 08:46

Midfortiescamb · Yesterday 23:16

It does feel very literal and autistic. He often puts his foot in it by being super blunt/honest eg 'your house smells' and can otherwise be so sweet. It's so confusing.

His daughter is autistic she got it from him.

This will all get worse as he gets older, please drop this relationship now for your own sake.

MrsElijahMikaelson1 · Today 08:47

Dump. Nothing more unattractive than a selfish man without generosity. DH would give you the shirt off his back and is always the first to reach for his wallet.

LouiseMadetheBestBroccoliPasta · Today 08:48

Bikergran · Today 08:38

There's a Yorkshire phrase that springs to mind here which is "tighter than a duck's arse". Dump him, he's a mean sod, and HE WILL NEVER CHANGE. Spend your money on yourself and leave him in his own miserly little world to moan about gold-diggers.

Similar expression in Australia - "tighter than a fish's arse at 50 fathoms" :)

OP, the fact that he cried when you raised the issue and is now cold-shouldering you - he is manipulative and passive aggressive on top of being stingy.

And I agree with a PP, who said him leaving his cards at home was a ploy to see if you could be plucked by him.

You sound like a lovely person, this man should be adding to your life, not detracting from it.

Gall10 · Today 08:48

TheSlantedOwl · Yesterday 23:07

Oh god don’t sink any more time into a mean man. He won’t change.

This!

researchers3 · Today 08:54

Minasama · Yesterday 23:10

Did he grow up in a home where money was tight? That sits very deep within and it can be very difficult to get past the instinctive “never spending money on anything but essentials” that you grew up with. Particularly on £50K which doesn’t go at all far these days if he’s buying a house.,

For birthdays, rather than saying you don’t want to celebrate which seems very strong, why not tell him what you want to do and what you’d like as a present. I remember my husband being upset that I didn’t know what to get him - he came from a family that had five times the household income we had growing up, where extravagant gift giving was normal. I don’t come from that, but my home was very loving and thoughtful. I’d have been so upset if he’d just told me not to bother, I wasn’t intentionally getting it wrong. Now I earn a lot and just fling money at it, it seems to satisfy him but to me is desperately shallow.

It may just be that this is too big an issue for you and you need to be with someone who has more money.,

Edited

It's not about the money, it's his stinginess/attitude.

OP, the lack of money going towards his kids would piss me off more than anything.

LeftieRightsHoarder · Today 08:56

Miserliness may not be the worst vice in the world, but it’s a horrible, petty, joy-draining one.

I would have run a mile anyway when I found out how he neglected his children, OP — £200 a month, and minimal contact. I suspect his ex-wife and children are happier without him.

Screamingabdabz · Today 08:56

My DH is frugal and careful with his money but he is generosity itself when it comes to me and the kids. Cost is never an issue. Neither is my own shopaholic tendencies. I could not be with a man who was so pathologically tight that it affects his ability to show love.

AutumnLover1990 · Today 08:59

End it now. The stinginess and childish silence would be a deal breaker for me. I got the ick reading that. How have you not? 😞

TwinklySquid · Today 09:05

There’s a difference between being sensible with money and tight. He’s tight. It’s not a good trait.

No one made a fuss of my birthdays- none of my ex’s did- and it always upset me so I make my own fuss. But I wouldn’t be in a relationship like that anyone.

In the nicest way- you are too old for this shit. He’s not adding to your life. I’d let go.

ilikeeggs · Today 09:10

I know not the point of the thread but he should be paying a lot more than £200 a month in child maintenance. My ex earns less than him and the calculator says he should pay me £520 for our 2 children. He’s definitely lying about that.

AlbieJiggered · Today 09:19

Midfortiescamb · Today 07:03

Less than £20

Wow! He obviously thinks a lot of you to fork out that much.Hmm
If they were nice ones and you actually wanted them, were delighted with the gift, and have worn them then it would not be a bad present, but it would be fine as a 'just because' present.

It was not a 'for my wonderful, gorgeous girlfriend' birthday present.

You know this anyway.

Dump the skinflint.

HannahSqan · Today 09:23

Midfortiescamb · Yesterday 23:00

My boyfriend is confusing me. Been together about 1.5 years, both 47, divorced. I have three kids, shared custody, he has two who are 15 and 12 and he sees every other weekend. He's lovely with my kids and easy to be around, bit over chatty but fine. He's generally kind and patient and has gotten over pushing us to live together which was driven by the fact that he hates paying rent but has now put an offer in on buying his own house. There's a money issue though and I've tried to be fair and patient...on our first date he didn't take his card out to pay, so I did and he later said he liked that I didn't expect him to pay (I didn't tbh but told myself why should the man pay). He paid for our second date in a simple Vietnamese place but I could feel his tension shuffling his cards choosing which one. But he was sweet so we carried on. Our first road trip he drove so I offered petrol money, he accepted and from then on it was clear I'd pay half for petrol. Meals were always split. I spoiled him as I like to on his bday in a lovely restaurant and gifts etc. On my bday he got me a pair of earrings on sale on Etsy which were pretty and took me to a restaurant but tensely said 'is this the kind of place you get starters' so I obviously said no need and only got a cheap main. He told me the other part of my gift was he'd take me for a hike and I wouldn't have to pay half for petrol. He cried a bit the next morning after I was honest after he asked me were the gifts not good and I gently said that petrol thing wasn't really normal. A few weeks later when he said he wanted to see me so would go to his fave Chinese on the way and bring it to mine without offering to get me some I calmly told him I'm struggling with this constant splitting of things, he should trust that I'm not after his money and I took him out to celebrate his new job etc. I am a generous person. To make up for the bday he bought me flowers but mentioned how they're good value in Morrissons, where they were from. Fast forward to this bday coming up in two weeks...I was honestly so nervous about him spoiling it so I booked myself a cottage in Wales for a couple of days and it hurt him but I told him to please not take it personally. My ex husband upset me on my bdays and I could do with a couple of days to myself but really, I know boyfriend isn't good at romance and I couldn't face another awkward meal. Anyway, twice over the last few weeks he has mentioned how he budgeted for my present (a hot water bottle) last month so this month he's budgeting for the meal. He earns £50k and only gives his ex wife the amount the child support calculator asks of him which is around £200 ish per month, he says because she gets children's allowance: not my business but I do think kids cost more and his daughter is autistic so needs therapy. Anyway, he then asked whether I want to go to the restaurants i took him to on my bday, I said, please - you choose. He said 'I'll just take you to the one you took me to'. I said to him, my love, please can we just not do bdays, anniversaries, Xmas (he got me a five pack of socks)...let's free ourselves, there's something awkward/tense with money and its making me uncomfortable, feeling like work/burden. He got very upset and said he couldn't feel more hurt or empty and is now not really talking to me! Its been 2 days. I told him he'd never expressed any kind of excitement about my bday and I just don't want this heaviness. There are just so many money orientated odd things...like he bought me pink salt and I said it was lovely and he said '£1'. I know his ex wife said he was controlling about money but he said she expected him to be the bread winner and was financially abusive: obviously I don't know the full story. It all just feels so awkward and I don't like how he's gone cold. Otherwise he's very affectionate and sweet....not selfish in bed but a bit predictable. Anyway....thoughts?

Your boyfriend is autistic. My husband is autistic and has weird thoughts about money. He is not understanding the unspoken social rules and reciprocal nature of money. At his age he wont fundamentally change. But you can negotiate some solutions. I write my husband an exact list for birthdays eg buy roses, decorations of xyz, write me a card, buy a present from these suggestions

his ex wife was not abusive he just doesnt want any control or demands on his money

he wont suddenly be generous with money but maybe his other features make up for it?

Iaeve · Today 09:24

Please don’t put your kids through this either OP. Let them see their mum being valued by someone who cares and loves her. Not her being bloody bled for every half penny with this scrote.

Advocodo · Today 09:24

Many many years ago when I was very young I went on a 1st date and before I was even able to offer to pay half towards a very moderate drinks (no food) bill I was told we were going half’s. I made sure I never saw him again. I have always always paid my way even when 50 years ago (yes I am old) women mostly earned much less than men and it wasn’t such a thing for women to pay.
i think your boyfriend has serious money issues bordering on needing a very good discussion about. Also I wouldn’t want to date someone who doesn’t pay a decent amount of maintenance to his children.

HannahSqan · Today 09:26

Midfortiescamb · Yesterday 23:07

Thank you. Its confusing because when he has his kids or me he cooks lovely food etc. But there's always the precise amount, not more. Ugh.

Its a precise amount of food because he is autistic and is precise. He has a systems brain and to him he is optimising the cooking systems

Morepositivemum · Today 09:28

Op I get the money thing and it’s awful and not a way to live but slagging off the sex is just mean. Ye both need either a break from each other or to end it