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Boyfriend strange with money

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Midfortiescamb · Yesterday 23:00

My boyfriend is confusing me. Been together about 1.5 years, both 47, divorced. I have three kids, shared custody, he has two who are 15 and 12 and he sees every other weekend. He's lovely with my kids and easy to be around, bit over chatty but fine. He's generally kind and patient and has gotten over pushing us to live together which was driven by the fact that he hates paying rent but has now put an offer in on buying his own house. There's a money issue though and I've tried to be fair and patient...on our first date he didn't take his card out to pay, so I did and he later said he liked that I didn't expect him to pay (I didn't tbh but told myself why should the man pay). He paid for our second date in a simple Vietnamese place but I could feel his tension shuffling his cards choosing which one. But he was sweet so we carried on. Our first road trip he drove so I offered petrol money, he accepted and from then on it was clear I'd pay half for petrol. Meals were always split. I spoiled him as I like to on his bday in a lovely restaurant and gifts etc. On my bday he got me a pair of earrings on sale on Etsy which were pretty and took me to a restaurant but tensely said 'is this the kind of place you get starters' so I obviously said no need and only got a cheap main. He told me the other part of my gift was he'd take me for a hike and I wouldn't have to pay half for petrol. He cried a bit the next morning after I was honest after he asked me were the gifts not good and I gently said that petrol thing wasn't really normal. A few weeks later when he said he wanted to see me so would go to his fave Chinese on the way and bring it to mine without offering to get me some I calmly told him I'm struggling with this constant splitting of things, he should trust that I'm not after his money and I took him out to celebrate his new job etc. I am a generous person. To make up for the bday he bought me flowers but mentioned how they're good value in Morrissons, where they were from. Fast forward to this bday coming up in two weeks...I was honestly so nervous about him spoiling it so I booked myself a cottage in Wales for a couple of days and it hurt him but I told him to please not take it personally. My ex husband upset me on my bdays and I could do with a couple of days to myself but really, I know boyfriend isn't good at romance and I couldn't face another awkward meal. Anyway, twice over the last few weeks he has mentioned how he budgeted for my present (a hot water bottle) last month so this month he's budgeting for the meal. He earns £50k and only gives his ex wife the amount the child support calculator asks of him which is around £200 ish per month, he says because she gets children's allowance: not my business but I do think kids cost more and his daughter is autistic so needs therapy. Anyway, he then asked whether I want to go to the restaurants i took him to on my bday, I said, please - you choose. He said 'I'll just take you to the one you took me to'. I said to him, my love, please can we just not do bdays, anniversaries, Xmas (he got me a five pack of socks)...let's free ourselves, there's something awkward/tense with money and its making me uncomfortable, feeling like work/burden. He got very upset and said he couldn't feel more hurt or empty and is now not really talking to me! Its been 2 days. I told him he'd never expressed any kind of excitement about my bday and I just don't want this heaviness. There are just so many money orientated odd things...like he bought me pink salt and I said it was lovely and he said '£1'. I know his ex wife said he was controlling about money but he said she expected him to be the bread winner and was financially abusive: obviously I don't know the full story. It all just feels so awkward and I don't like how he's gone cold. Otherwise he's very affectionate and sweet....not selfish in bed but a bit predictable. Anyway....thoughts?

OP posts:
AlbieJiggered · Today 01:03

How much did the socks cost?

LizandDerekGoals · Today 01:13

Midfortiescamb · Today 00:07

Basically yes....

surely that is enough to know. His ex wife got aick of him being selfish and mean. He is the one being controlling with money.

Calliopespa · Today 01:15

Midfortiescamb · Yesterday 23:14

His reaction makes it look like this but I truly see no glimpses of pleasure in giving when he does. I'd be happy with a romantic picnic!

This hits the nail on the head.

People don't have to spend large amounts to show a generous spirit.

And come on, who really has to budget for a hot water bottle. I hope you mean it had a velvet or fur cover! And even if he did have to, he should keep that to himself. It isn't a gift if you make people feel guilt around it.

I couldn't put up with this attitude. I have a friend who keeps tabs on every last glass of water when we go for a meal and it just spoils it for me. If anything, I would naturally (and normally do) cover more than my share if that's how an equal split cast it (which it normally does as she has a bigger appetite) and in any case we always just each pay for ourself and exactly what we ordered, but I now avoid meals out with her as the attitude is so pervasive and depressing.

pinkfluffydressinggown · Today 01:21

I dated a really stingy man and I also dated a man who wanted to give me more but just couldn’t afford to. Both of them put me through emotional hell. Romance and giftgiving and celebrating occasions is a massive deal for me and I was constantly feeling letdown, even when I made it clear how important it was to me. I dumped stingy guy because of his stinginess and dumped, the other one for a multitude of reasons But a big factor was that he could not give me the lifestyle that I knew I wanted.

Anyway, I met the most amazing man four months ago, he’s a high earner, loves to take me to eat out at restaurants - we go a few times a week. I never thought I would say this, but I’m actually sick of eating out!! He always pays the bill and would never expect me to. He also just booked us a a city break for next week and He’s going to book us a beach holiday soon also.

This is a stark contrast from my exes and I’m so glad I ended it with them. I made sure that my standards were known from the beginning and I was willing to not date until I found that.

OP There were 4 billion men on this earth and I promise you the man that you have in mind does exist but you have to put yourself out there to find him and you have to be willing to not settle.

Please stop chasing this one down and I think you should end it with him when he eventually starts talking to you again. This situation will get you so depressed in the long-term as it will make you question self-worth. It seems like you are starting to hate special occasions, which is also what happened to me because it just led to disappointment and me being upset. DUMP HIM!!

Newone123456 · Today 01:26

Noooooo. I dated someone like this and this happened to me. Get rid asap, it’s not normal and he won’t change.

Happyjoe · Today 01:30

pinkfluffydressinggown · Today 01:21

I dated a really stingy man and I also dated a man who wanted to give me more but just couldn’t afford to. Both of them put me through emotional hell. Romance and giftgiving and celebrating occasions is a massive deal for me and I was constantly feeling letdown, even when I made it clear how important it was to me. I dumped stingy guy because of his stinginess and dumped, the other one for a multitude of reasons But a big factor was that he could not give me the lifestyle that I knew I wanted.

Anyway, I met the most amazing man four months ago, he’s a high earner, loves to take me to eat out at restaurants - we go a few times a week. I never thought I would say this, but I’m actually sick of eating out!! He always pays the bill and would never expect me to. He also just booked us a a city break for next week and He’s going to book us a beach holiday soon also.

This is a stark contrast from my exes and I’m so glad I ended it with them. I made sure that my standards were known from the beginning and I was willing to not date until I found that.

OP There were 4 billion men on this earth and I promise you the man that you have in mind does exist but you have to put yourself out there to find him and you have to be willing to not settle.

Please stop chasing this one down and I think you should end it with him when he eventually starts talking to you again. This situation will get you so depressed in the long-term as it will make you question self-worth. It seems like you are starting to hate special occasions, which is also what happened to me because it just led to disappointment and me being upset. DUMP HIM!!

Sorry, you sound like a gold digger! Equally a turn off. Why can't you earn the lifestyle you always wanted yourself?!

It's not about the money, it's the thought. There are many ways to give gifts with the recipient in mind, whatever the budget.
Socks or a hot water bottle (in summer!) are not thoughtful gifts but similar value could be spent on something else the OP may have wanted, such as a CD of music she likes or an author she loves. All he has to do is listen to the OP and pick up on what she likes in the world.

moltopianissimo · Today 01:40

He's not just stingy, he's also weird. All this crying and being upset, together with the financial oddness, does not bode well.

MeTooOverHere · Today 02:24

ResultsMayVary · Yesterday 23:10

You mentioned his daughter is on the spectrum and I wonder if he is too. So many he's trying to do the 'fair' thing and make you happy but the nuances and his you might be feeling have completely bypassed him.

It does sound exhausting and like you're walking on egg shells.

This is very likely. He's only earning 50,000 so he does have to budget and if he is also on the spectrum, that would be a pressure point for the two.

Feckitanyway123 · Today 02:29

His current sulk only added insult to injury. You deserve better!

oliil4l · Today 02:37

I don't think the issue is really the amount of money being spent, it's the constant tension around it. Plenty of people are careful with money and that's completely fine, but repeatedly mentioning prices, making gifts feel like a calculation and creating anxiety around birthdays would wear me down too. It sounds like you've tried to explain that you don't need expensive things, you just want a bit of thought and ease. I think I'd be less focused on whether he's generous or not and more on whether you both have compatible attitudes towards money, because it seems to be causing a lot of stress for both of you.

myothercarisarustbucket · Today 02:37

I know his ex wife said he was controlling about money

Here you ^ have it straight from the 'horse's mouth' OP. Whether or not you choose to heed the warning is up to you. 🙂

Gateappreciation · Today 02:42

I wondered whether he was poor growing up also, hence his attitude. However, socks for a present, a bit meh! And not very romantic.

Unfortunately, you’re not singing off the same hymn sheet when it comes to money. It’s a bit of a red flag that he wanted to move in so quickly, so well done in preventing this happening. It’s okay to go Dutch, but there should be give and take, plus a bit of romance.

it’s sad that you’re having to suppress your birthday celebrations so,not to be disappointed. Not a way to go.

99bottlesofkombucha · Today 03:14

Midfortiescamb · Today 00:07

Basically yes....

I bet she rejected him sexually, his stinginess and controlling probably made her libido drop dead and self mummify. If you leave him with a parting comment I’d say one day your kids will understand you only ever contributed the minimum to their mum to bring them up, and I hope they have the strength to be different parents.

BinBasedKarma · Today 03:14

Has he ever taken any steps to increase his earning capacity?

torimangion · Today 03:17

MY FAVOURITE? EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM! As The Lady said BIN.HIM.OFF! PRACK! (Well, HE IS........a Prack!) Possibly a Prock AND a Princk n'all! Bruddy PRUCK!

MalteseFalconer · Today 03:48

On the spectrum or not, it’s not working for you. He sounds incredibly hard work and I would just say it’s not working and run for the hills.

Busybeemumm · Today 03:52

So he has been around for 2 of your birthdays?

Why are you wasting any more time on this man.

Him not talking to you is a blessing in disguise. Just say to him, in the time you both haven't been talking had given you space to think about your relationship and how it isn't working out for you. The fact he pays bare minimum for his DC would be a major turn off as well as all the other miserly things. Just end it.

Busybeemumm · Today 03:54

BinBasedKarma · Today 03:14

Has he ever taken any steps to increase his earning capacity?

Unfortunately his mind set will remain the same no matter what he earns. His stinginess is ingrained and is part of who he is as a person. OP and him just are not compatible.

LaughingCat · Today 04:00

pinkfluffydressinggown · Today 01:21

I dated a really stingy man and I also dated a man who wanted to give me more but just couldn’t afford to. Both of them put me through emotional hell. Romance and giftgiving and celebrating occasions is a massive deal for me and I was constantly feeling letdown, even when I made it clear how important it was to me. I dumped stingy guy because of his stinginess and dumped, the other one for a multitude of reasons But a big factor was that he could not give me the lifestyle that I knew I wanted.

Anyway, I met the most amazing man four months ago, he’s a high earner, loves to take me to eat out at restaurants - we go a few times a week. I never thought I would say this, but I’m actually sick of eating out!! He always pays the bill and would never expect me to. He also just booked us a a city break for next week and He’s going to book us a beach holiday soon also.

This is a stark contrast from my exes and I’m so glad I ended it with them. I made sure that my standards were known from the beginning and I was willing to not date until I found that.

OP There were 4 billion men on this earth and I promise you the man that you have in mind does exist but you have to put yourself out there to find him and you have to be willing to not settle.

Please stop chasing this one down and I think you should end it with him when he eventually starts talking to you again. This situation will get you so depressed in the long-term as it will make you question self-worth. It seems like you are starting to hate special occasions, which is also what happened to me because it just led to disappointment and me being upset. DUMP HIM!!

What did I just read? 😳 Sounds like guy number two had a lucky escape.

Anywho, @Midfortiescamb - sounds like you’re having one of those yourself. The sheer amount of stress he’s causing you with his own tense headspace sounds unbearable. Then shit sex on top. Plus, his poor kids. Glad you’ve pushed back now and are taking some time for yourself. You and your kids are worth so much more.

Franjipanl8r · Today 04:11

It’s called being “miserly”. It’s completely possible to be careful with money without being miserly. The fact he can’t see his own faults or can take on constructive criticism without sulking would give me the ick big time.

givemesteel · Today 04:23

He seems to manage to drain the fun out of any situation. You know this won't get better OP and you know what you need to do.

Maybe wait a bit longer before you introduce your kids to another man. You need to be really sure.

SalmonOnFinnCrisp · Today 04:26

My thoughts?

Never marry.
Never let him move in.
Ideally dump.

This is next level miserable - I could not live like this.
He is a human fun sponge.

I get dating is a minefield but throw this one back.
The shitness of those gifts is unparalleled.

LBFseBrom · Today 04:39

He may be mean or he may just be very hard up. Having been very hard up in the past - in my forties - and worrying myself silly over unexpected extras, on payday barely having fare to work, it is awful. The difference with me was I would try not to show it and always had an overdraft, plus unpaid bills.

(I'm OK now :-)).

Perhaps do less going out and more having a meal at home, yours or his.

If he is moving into his own house, he'll have a lot of expense at the moment. When you are buying or selling, fees for this and that pop up all over the place.

Or he could just be tight-fisted.

The only way you would know would be if he showed you bank statements and you went through everything he spent. Not many boyfriends or girlfriends would want to do that.

Be thankful you don't live together.

BibbityBobbity2 · Today 04:40

ResultsMayVary · Yesterday 23:10

You mentioned his daughter is on the spectrum and I wonder if he is too. So many he's trying to do the 'fair' thing and make you happy but the nuances and his you might be feeling have completely bypassed him.

It does sound exhausting and like you're walking on egg shells.

This is a very good point! It still doesn’t make it OK, or something you have to accept (I wouldn’t, and I’m on the spectrum myself), but it might at least explain things. The lack of insight and understanding of why you don’t talk about the cost of things in relation to someone’s birthday/gifts etc. is quite autistic, TBH.

pastadish · Today 04:49

FetchezLaVache · Yesterday 23:16

I said to him, my love, please can we just not do bdays, anniversaries, Xmas (he got me a five pack of socks)...let's free ourselves, there's something awkward/tense with money and its making me uncomfortable, feeling like work/burden.

Ok, so:

  1. He got you a five pack of socks for Christmas and that's it?? And he had to budget for the hot water bottle he got you for your birthday??

  2. You are a generous person who likes to treat people; and

  3. You've got a boyfriend who is so stingy you're having to go against your own essential personality and not celebrate important dates as protection against inevitable disappointment.

Why pursue this relationship? You're not compatible and I don't understand how you can even bring yourself to shag him, knowing that he's even tight towards his own children. I think you should do some work to understand why your standards are so low you'd try to work out a way of mitigating his parsimony rather than just giving him his marching orders.

Edited

This is a good post, think about what was said here to figure out how to move forward.